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Your past positions from the perspective of race being as relevant as they are? >> no. and i don't think they're relevant because they're taken out of context. what i didn't see is people who know me, i mean, they know me well. it's not just like somebody out of the blue came out and didn't know me. it's easy to go 30 or 40, 50 years take a context and take it completely out of context. you know, i get all of this information about other people's past and what they've done and not done. you know, i'm just not going to go there. for example, this whole thing about race and bussing. i think when...

Did you see the questions about your past positions from the perspective of race being as relevant as they are? >> no, and i don't think they're relevant because they're taken out of context. what i didn't see is people who know me. i mean, they know me well. it's not like kmsomebody came o of the blue. it's so easy to go back 40, 50 years and take it out of context. i get all this information about other peoples past and what they've done and not done, and i'm just not going to go there. for example, this whole thing about race and busing, well, you know, i think if you take a look our positi...

Positions aren't any different as we're finding out. >> senator harris says she sees it as a tool, not a must in all circumstances. >> look at my record. >> i don't think busing is about policy, mr. vice president. >> no, it's not. >> i think it's about principle. when you look back at your record on it, you were not in favor of busing. it was a different time, there were different applications. why not just own it and say i was against it but now i've changed. >> no. i was in favor of busing if a court ruled there was a law passed or circumstance that a county, a city, a state did that preven...

Or 40 years and take a context and take it completely out of context. and i mean, you know, i get all this information about other people's pasts and what they've done and not done and i'm just not going to go there. if we keep doing that, i mean, what we should be debating -- for example, this whole thing about race and busing, well, i think if you take a look, our positions aren't any different, as we're finding out. >> with senator harris, she sees it as a tool, not a must in all circumstances. >> yeah, well, look at my rec d record. >> i don't think busing is about policy. i think it was a...