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joining us, eugene scott. have a great weekend, everybody. thank you for joining us "way too early." "morning joe" starts right now. i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. because we won the state. >> that conversation is the main reason a special grand jury in georgia is investigating election interference. yesterday, we got some of their report, and it reveals that the jurors believe that witnesses lied to them. and, somehow, the former president, donald trump, thinks this report exonerates him. we'll explain why that's not even close to being true. ...

Of bad policies. of course, then you had brexit. most recently, you've had this succession of prime ministers, a revoling door of prime ministers and confused policies relating to that. it's really been a whole series of factors that kind of have put it back to almost where it was, in a sense, when margaret thatcher arrived. >> i remember you were reporting for "the new york times" when margaret thatcher arrived. you said if not for thatcher, britain would have become france. it's fascinating now. we look at france and macron, who is retaining steadfast as he is trying to move retirement age f...

Judges keep saying, no, no, no, or is it good because judges keep saying no? or is it bad they keep coming back? they keep coming back. kari lake, donald trump, when will they ever go away and realize they lost and probably broke the law? >> it's a good thing judges are saying no. it is a bad thing, though, that they keep coming back. it erodes the trust in the democratic process. part of what joe, and we've been talking about, is americans have been awash in lies. those lies have, in some ways, affected our ability to engage in reasoned deliberation, to do the work that madisonian democracy r...

Of witnesses and believes crimes have been committed. now, it is not their job to indict those crimes. that's up to the district attorney. but she has a wealth of evidence. don't forget, the important thing here is not that the grand jury wrote a report. the important thing here is that the grand jury heard all of this evidence and all of this evidence is preserved for prosecutors to use at any subsequent trial that they may have. joe, if the important fact is you saw the light as green, and we put you in the grand jury and under oath you testified that the light was green, that is substantive...

>> yeah, jonathan. let me take your second point first because it is an incredibly important one. as a federal prosecutor, our standards, guidelines, require we have a reasonable probability of conviction before we charge somebody. so a hunch doesn't cut it. my personal belief, jonathan, that you committed a crime isn't enough. to eddie's point, we need this pesky thing called evidence. the courts of the united states are where evidence matters. you know, you can say things that aren't true on television. you can say things that aren't true on the, you know, house floor. but in court, it matte...