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It's where we go from here -- >> it's absolutely the issue. the only person who can get us out of this is donald trump having a clear head, not listening to extremists or people like miller -- >> you're giving him too much credit. >> you're giving the president of the united states too much credit? no, he's the person who caused the breakdown -- >> he's the one that has said, i will extend past march, i am trying to work towards a solution. ultimately what i'm saying is that the american people literally see this narrative as, why are we holding up funding, why are we having -- >> don't put it...

Optimism. there could be some sort of a deal here. but here is the question there is still a trust gap. caroline, the question to you, will democrats be able to get over this trust gap? do they believe republicans are serious about taking up immigration? >> i don't think there is any way to be serious and trust with the republicans given the fact that this government shutdown is the direct result of donald trump flip-flopping on the issue of daca. and in fact when chuck schumer went in and said look, we will negotiate daca and put the wall on the table, he still rejected it because he is worki...

>> so let's talk about where we are right now. bringing in david siders, david is a senior reporter for politico, good to have you with us. we heard from mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer, the tone certainly cooler than we saw in the past few days. there is a sense of progress, but there's also a big trust gap that exists. >> well, i think definitely there's a gap in trust. but what you talked about first is this really was a day of inching i think closer to a deal than we had been before. keep in mind it had been a day, i think, since mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer had spoken, so here they...

Itself has supposedly got bipartisan support. the democrats don't trust the republicans to bring it up after they vote for a short-term spending measure which is why we're in this kind of -- there is a huge trust gap. >> jon: that's the leverage they're using. >> it can backfire if people decide they want the government to function more than they want to protect the daca kids. >> my final thought is i wish the press would do more about the history of all of the daca as well as this whole shutdown issue. >> jon: there is a long history there let's put it that way. ellen and judy, thank you. >> ...

Has said and namely what the epa chief scott pruitt has said. how does that factor in with this trust gap and this credibility gap? >> you know, it's one of these climbed changes is one of the issues that's not necessarily a seen every day as a crisis for this admanages, but it goes to the heart of the credibility battle, and the battle by this president to sort of impose his view of the world on a resistant federal government, that when you have all these scientists reaching conclusion, and their conclusions happen to make it into the media while it is still pending -- >> you have to think th...