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Let him finish excuse me a minute. The president , of course, was known to be upset about the recusal in the first place. But look, this is on the front side of all the litany of things you heard about. At the same time, as i said, it went way beyond from the Attorney Generals perspective, way beyond wrong the recusal called for under the regulation thats just wrong. That is wrong. That is not the reading of the regulation. Read it. And the ethics rules for lawyers, rule 1. 7 for lawyers, conflicts of interest. He cannot investigate a campaign in which he was a material part of that campaign. ...

He was going to him and saying, don't get out of it. and you just heard two very distinguished lawyers who had a completely different read of this. i'm not a lawyer. but i work for a law firm. and i can tell you if you get two in the elevator, you'll have two opinions. and that's what happens. some people believe that he had to recuse himself. remember -- >> it was because he wanted to protect him at all costs. not for the investigation -- >> the article said to hold out as long as you could. in terms of sessions meeting with russians, i was on the military committee, foreign affairs committee...

And his reluctance to cross the president has been a frustration not just to critics of donald trump but sol republicme republ well. >> the best jokes always have a grain of truth. self-defacing humor -- he has a create personality and great comic timing. he nailed those. can i see people saying paul ryan, you should bristle at the nature of the presidency and how dare you joke about the fact that you pretend to ignore the tweets which he probably does. but it's the al smith dinner. it's a roast of yourself and everybody else. so, take it with a grain of salt and be light harted. we could all ...

Thing. and i sometimes think well gosh, could i do something that stupid some day? i mean, i tweet all the time. and i know a majority of viewers think everything i tweet is stupid. but i mean, i just don't understand how you can even let that tweet go. the person who sent it, it was just abhorrent, i don't know where it comes from. and they have had many of these problems here at msnbc -- >> but it is beyond msnbc. we decided -- >> it is not the left. >> but the knee jerk instinct to accuse conservatives of racism. they saw this ad, and they said oh, the conservatives will hate it because it ...