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Mulvaney. it's the reference to mulvaney i want to ask you about. you've testified that mulvaney was aware of this quid pro quo, of this condition that the ukrainians had to meet, that is announcing these public investigations to get the white house meeting, is that right? >> yeah. a lot of people were aware of it. >> including mr. mulvaney? >> correct. >> and including the secretary of state? >> correct. >> now, have you seen the acting chief of staff's press conference in which he acknowledged that the military aid was withheld in part because of a desire to get that 2016 investigation you'v...

That we heard from mr. giuliani that that was the case. >> that helped inform your presumption, correct? >> correct. >> it wasn't really a presumption, you heard from mr. giuliani. >> i didn't hear from mr. giuliani by the aide, i heard about the burisma in 2016. >> you understood at that point, as we discussed two plus two equals four that the aide was there as well? >> that was the problem, mr. goldman, nobody told me directly that the aide was tied to anything. i was presuming it was. >> i want to go ahead too, i'm going to go back on septembe september 1st, or i'm going to jump ahead actua...

That i want ask you about. you've testified that mulvaney was aware of this quid pro quo in this condition that ukrainians had to meet that is announcing this investigation to get the white house meeting, is that correct? >> a lot of people were aware of it. >> including mr. mulvaney? >> correct. >> and including the secretary of state? >> correct. >> have you seen the chief of staff's press conference in which she acknowledged that the military aid was withheld in part because of a desire to get that 2016 investigation you talked about? >> i don't the guy's hot live i saw it later. >> you saw...

Meeting, they get the money. it's not two plus two. it's 0 for 3. i've never seen anything like that and you told mr. castor that the president never told you that the announcement had to happen to get anything. in fact he didn't just not tell you that. he exquisitely said the opposi opposite. the gentleman from texas just read it. you said to the president of the united states, what do you want from ukraine? the president : i want nothing. i want no quid pro quo. i want zelensky to do the right thing. i want him to do when he ran on. what did he run on, ambassador sondland? >> transparency. >...

What the real reason the person who is in charge of making sure that foreign aid is delivered -- we aren't going to hear about what actually happened with the foreign aid. wouldn't that have made it a lot easier to testify, instead of guessing and doing funny math problems appear? two plus two equals four, because it's great for all the viewers to hear that? wouldn't it be easier if you just knew exactly why the foreign-made wasn't given >> it would have been easy to testify if i had a totality of the record. >> and would you trust the person who is in charge of cutting the checks for foreign ...