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and the most important thing is, it doesn't have to be absolutely true, it has to be supportable. they have to prove that i was deliberately lying, which i wasn't. >> you know, it's so fascinating about what he just did there. >> yeah, it's good stuff. good stuff. >> it is as if he read david french's column yesterday in "the new york times" talking about maga man. >> mm-hmm. >> and what it takes to be a maga man. he mentioned rudy giuliani as the prime example but listed mark meadows, kari lake, listed a number of other people who may have all done different things in the past, may ...

you still believe them to be true? >> yeah, of course they'll sue me again when i say that, but yeah i do. they want me to lie. basically they're suing me in order to lie to them. i'm sorry, i can't do it. and the most important thing it doesn't have to be absolutely true. it has to be supportable. they have to prove i was deliberately lying, which i wasn't. >> rudy giuliani continue said to standby his lies about two former election workers from the state of georgia just days after a federal jury decided he must pay the women $148 million. but those women aren't done yet with the fo...

The texas association of business speaking out against three type measures pending in the state. it's not clear if any of them will have a committee hearing. >> it's amazing as we talk about big business and the fact that walmart spoke out against the bill in arkansas the backlash that indiana phased being immense, not only for the fact businesses would pull out holding a convention and the ncaa, money is what all of the politicians are responding to. >> money is a big driver of how these governors act. they are the ceos of their states and you know nobody wants to see -- nobody wants to cost ...