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But one thing actually worked. As the russians smuggled their books to the west, these books have a tremendous effect on Public Opinion here. One thing that worked was books. Hollands daughter and 2 was, that is the challenge. What happens now, a completely different situation because you have the borders of them. People move freely out of the county and into the county, we have a new phenomenon in washington and london and the european capitals. Aspiring to have a say in the politics towards russia. It makes a lot of americans very uncomfortable because it actually produces a reaction so this...

Nations in Eastern Europe but thats a kind of a narrative that is very western i suppose but i lived there it was i dont have that same kind of feel for it ok though having said that im very glad those communist regimes are gone and the wall go ahead john. You know well like you peter i lived through those events very directly like you i was studying Eastern European studies at oxford at that point i spent that summer in 1909 in romania and and indeed in september 89 i was in west berlin and was there when the 1st east berlin is arrived in west berlin having driven through czechoslovakia hungr...

In the fall of the berlin wall im joined by my guest John Laughlin in paris he is a political scientist and historian in washington we have harold james hes a professor of history and International Affairs at Princeton University as well as author and editor of a number of books including when the wall came down reactions to german unification and in cork we cross to Geoffrey Roberts he is emeritus professor of history at University College cork and a member of the Royal Irish Academy all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreci...

Nations in Eastern Europe but thats a kind of a narrative that is very western i suppose but i lived there it was i dont have that same kind of feel for it ok though having said that im very glad those communist regimes are gone and the wall go ahead john. You know well like you peter i lived through those events very directly like you i was studying Eastern European studies at oxford at that point i spent that summer in 1909 in romania and in hungary and indeed in september 89 i was in west berlin and was there when the 1st east berlin as arrived in west berlin having driven through czechoslo...

Columbia university, and it is a great pleasure to welcome back our guests, coauthors irina boar began and andre sold to have who will be talking about this book just out called the compatriots. Irina and andrei are cofounders of [inaudible] authors of the red web previously, a history of russias internet, governance of the internet, and then also the excellent book the new nobility, which was on looking at Russian Security services. So this, i guess, is the third part of the trilogy [laughter] and were, were so excited that youre, that youre here with us today. The i think just a couple of is...