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as of tonight, we know very little about most of the victims. now, information is still trickling in, but we still don't know literally anything about the victims in atlanta, beyond the fact that four asian women were killed. today, the atlanta deputy police chief said they were still in the process of notifying next of kin, fair enough. they also said that nothing is off the table in the investigation, including whether the murders were indeed a hate crime. we do know more about the four victims in the cherokee county shooting. they are delaney ashley yaon. paul andre michelles, age...

By the way, the trump campaign has just issued a response to that, quoting former obama defense secretary robert gates saying joe biden has been wrong about a series of policy errors. that was their response there. there's no one i would rather discuss this with than an msnbc contributor who left the republican party and a long time conservative commentator and critic of donald trump. gentlemen, i want you both to take on two different aspects of this. charlie, i'm going to ask you about the media landscape, george, i want to ask you about conservative circles. let me start with the following....

Thing about the trump era is you found out who's really a conservative and who's really trying to make a buck. >> yes, we found out how lightly held some of those principles are. the reality is outside of congress, the conservative -- if you want to be a conservative or a quote, unquote conservative right now, if you want to matter, be relevant, you need to get on board with the trump train. but i do think that there are people out there who are keeping their heads down, these are not profiles in courage, but at some point, if their conscious is pricked, but it doesn't feel like we're going to...