as of tonight, we know very little about most of the victims. now, information is still trickling in, but we still don't know literally anything about the victims in atlanta, beyond the fact that four asian women were killed. today, the atlanta deputy police chief said they were still in the process of notifying next of kin, fair enough. they also said that nothing is off the table in the investigation, including whether the murders were indeed a hate crime. we do know more about the four victims in the cherokee county shooting. they are delaney ashley yaon. paul andre michelles, age 54. a woman who was 49, and dao yo fung, who was 44. we also know ortiz was injured and is hospitalized in intensive care. out of all the victims, we know the most about delaina yan, she was visiting the spa with her husband who was in a separate room and wasn't injured. she had multiple children including a baby born just last summer. michelles was a handyman at young's asian massage, according to an interview his brother did with the guardian. that was the first place the gunman struck. and show was listed as the owner of a limited liability corporation associated with the massage company. tow immigrated to the united states many years ago. but take a look at this graphic again. the ones who appear as blank silhouettes, we know so little about these asian victims exposes once again the differences in communities based on things like race and citizenship status or what people do for a living. now, of course, there are plenty of reasons why victims' families may not be sharing details with the press. not everybody trusts the press knocking on their door. the same could go for why the police are taking so long to locate next of kin. what we do know is that asian people, people of color, women, immigrants, and those who do labor that is stigmatized or criminalized are often left faceless and nameless, even as victims of an atrocious crime. a symptom one can blame on, say, language barriers, but still, that isn't on the victims. that's on us. this is a moment when we, in this business, need to take a hard look frankly at the lack of racial and linguistic diversity within the media and in police departments. are there enough people on staff in news papers and networks and at police departments who can perform the basic function of interviewing people in their language at a time when it's critically necessary to do so? so that once again, certain communities don't get excluded from policies, conversations, investigations, and media coverage to the point where we don't even know their names. sorry, it's just odd. and frankly, disturbing, and outrageous how little we know about these victims. especially while seeing the great lengths that some in media and police will go to humanize a spree killer, to the point where a georgia sheriff's spokesperson who, by the way, promoting trumpa anti-asian t-shirts on his facebook page in march, described killer's actions like this. >> he understood the gravity of it, and he was pretty much fed up and kind of at the end of his rope, and yesterday was a really bad day for him, and this is what he did. >> no, no, captain baker. you know who had a very bad day, the eight innocent people whose lives were violently taken by a killer and their families. joining me now is atlanta mayor keisha lance bottoms. thank you so much for be here, madam mayor. you were at that press conference. i know this person is not in your police department. this is a different county's sheriff's office, but when you heard that sheriff's spokesman say, he had a bad day, he had a sexual addiction, what did you think? >> well, you know, joy, we had been in the back, and i had gotten a prebriefing, so what i thought he was relaying was what the shooter had relaid to him. now, clearly, he could have done a better job in making sure that people understood that. but more importantly, people were still hurt by what they perceived to be the insensitivity of it. and standing there, and even with what i knew then, i obviously had not seen the facebook post, so that in and of itself is disturbing. but you know, this is a dark day in our city yesterday. cherokee county i believe had one murder all of last year and then they had a mass shooting yesterday, so these clearly aren't people who are used to speaking about murders publicly. and certainly, the sensitivities and the diversity we're used to speaking about when we speak in atlanta, obviously, was lost in that moment. >> well, and you know, cherokee county, i want to note, they did issue an apology, the sheriff's office, did issue an apology for those who were taken aback and indeed offended by what was said. it raises a question about the capabilities that law enforcement have in dealing with these situations. we still don't know anything about the atlanta victims. is this in part a lack of resources, meaning in language resources. people who can go and interview family and friends, people who were in those establishments, in their own language. people with enough sensitivity to understand the gravity of this for the community. is that also a problem among atlanta police? >> well, what's happening here, i mean, there's several things that are at play. one, we have to make sure that we positively identify them, and again, this is in fulton county, where we have a number of bodies in fulton county in our morgue. and secondly, we have to make sure we reach the next of kin because if we have not reached the next of kin, we certainly don't want to release their name. but we understand that the language barriers are real. i don't believe that is an issue with this case. but certainly, it's something that we're always sensitive to. >> let's talk about security. have there been any changes in the security posture of atlanta police regarding asian communities and asian american communities due to the uptick in violence that we have seen around the country, and after this, will there be? >> yes, we have increased patrols in areas that we know have several asian-owned businesses. we have also reached out, we spent the past day or so reaching out to several leaders across our city just to make sure that we are aware of threats that may not have come to our attention. we have been in touch with our legislators, so we're doing all we can to make sure that our communities feel safe and protected. and what i said yesterday, joy, was that when there's violence against any community, it's violence against us all. eight people were murdered on yesterday. or the day before yesterday. >> let me finally ask you, you know that the president and vice president are coming to town. of course, the vice president is probably the most prominent asian american woman in the country. what are the plans, you know, there's a lot of nerves, a lot of nervousness about any kind of a visit like this, particularly in this climate. has the security posture changed in terms of atlanta security for their arrival? >> well, we're always on heightened security any time we have the president visiting and to have the president and vice president certainly we're on heightened security. but even their plans have changed for their visit on tomorrow. there was a planned rally. they are not having the rally, being sensitive and respectful to what we just endured as a city, and they will spend time with leaders in the asian american community, hosting a listening session. and so i think it's appropriate, and i'm glad that they are coming. it's an opportunity for us to hear first-hand that hurt and that pain that we know the asian american community has been experiencing. since the last guy left the white house. >> indeed. it's such a timely visit. atlanta mayor keisha lance bottoms, always appreciate you. thank you for your time. >> and joining me now is georgia state representative chairs, sam park and michelle kim, cofounder and ceo of awaken. and i'll start with you, representative park. you just heard the mayor talk about security and sort of the posture there. i want to play for you, this is from my producers, just some members of the aapi community, just talking about the shootings and how it's made folks feel in the community. take a listen. >> feels like in all fronts, we are afraid. we're afraid for our lives, for our businesses, for our community. >> i feel angry and also scared at the same time. me, myself, and my mom and my sister, we're here managing the restaurant. and we're asian minority. it could happen to anyone. this is my home. and this shouldn't happen to anybody. >> representative park, is there enough security in your view in these communities, particularly after what just happened? >> so i know in gwinnett, they increased police presence. and that's where the vast majority of where asians call home. i know they're doing a phenomenal john and they're going to be doing everything they can to make sure our asian american businesses and individuals feel safe. >> you know, and michelle, that's a two-edged sword, because if there are increased patrols but there's a sense police aren't sensitive to the community, as we just heard with that sheriff, who is not, again, from atlanta, but he said what he said and had the t-shirts he had on his facebook page. just talk about that balance a little bit. >> yeah. i think that's a really good point, joy. i think our community, we need to listen to the communities and the most marginalized communities within the aapi umbrella. when we think about folks who are feeling unsafe with the presence of police, it includes people who are killed, people who are working low wage jobs, people who may be undocumented, people who may be in occupations that are not protected and are often criminalized like sex work or massage parlors. so i think it's more than a double-edged sword. i think it's actually a grave threat and danger to our communities and most marginalized among us are not actually feeling safe with the presence of police. >> that's the double-edged sword. then there's the issue of representation and existence. we have this graphic up where the people who are in atlanta, we just don't even know their names. i want to let you listen to a friend of one of the people we do know. her name was delaina. and this is a friend of hers talking about her. take a listen. >> always had a big smile on her face. she liked to talk about her family, her kids. she liked to make others laugh. she had her regulars, she had her coworkers, she had a lot of people who loved her. for her to die this way is truly unspeakable. delaina, we loved you. we still love you. and we still wish you were here with us. >> i mean, we -- you know, god bless all of these families, but for the people who are still anonymous here, do you think it is important for us to be able to see that kind of outpouring for them? and do you have more information as an elected official about how it's going in trying to identify these asian victims? >> so, unfortunately, i don't have any additional information. that's not publicly made available. of course, we are very much concerned. there have been some korean american newspapers saying the victims were of korean descent, but we want to be sensitive and respectful to the victims and their families. to the earlier point as well, in terms of the balance that we have to strike in terms of increased law enforcement, it takes me to the point, especially gwinnett, in which elections matter. previously, we had 287-g in place under a republican sheriff in which a lot of immigrant communities were very scared to reach out to law enforcement. that's changed. we now have a democratic sheriff who immediately repealed 287-g in part with the support of asian american voters who brought the political change necessary to insure that these communities can come out of hiding and be treated with dignity. >> and that's a really important point, michelle, because you know, it's frustrating for us, for me as a journalist, to not be able to tell people who these victims are and to be able to give them that dignity on television because we just don't know. but we know that we're also in a medium where there aren't a lot of in-language speakers. there aren't necessarily people who can communicate in the language that people might speak or be converse enough with the community to know how to make the approach. just talk to us about what can we do differently? give us advice here just from a journalistic point of view. what should we be doing better? >> you kind of alluded to it earlier in terms of having the right representation of people who are working in the systems who are reporting in the newsrooms. who can speak the language, who can understand the community. i think the broader point about trust is also important for us to understand. in terms of how people view the relationship that they have and how authentic and honest they can be in sharing their stories. that there is actual ongoing interest and understanding the stories of asian americans and asian people in this community, because i am actually getting a lot more information from korean news outlets in atlanta. and they are speaking to the victims' families, and witnesses in korean language. they're sharing information that's not being shared on mass media. so i do think that there needs to be much longer term commitment to building that relationship and trust, to understand the needs of the community more deeply. >> the producer who produced this segment and the rest of our team, we were talking about the exact same thing and she said the exact same thing. georgia state representative sam park, and michelle kim, thank you both so much. and up next, white house press secretary jen psaki joins me on voting rights, the filibuster, and how novel it must be to work for a president who is actually standing up to vladimir putin instead of trying to be snuggled by him. plus, guess who's back. scott atlas, the man with no infectious disease experience who advised the previous president to just let everyone get covid to build up herd immunity, which would have killed millions of people. now dr. atlas has found another sucker to give his deadly advice to. a person who had come so close, so close to be the absolute worst on several occasions by lifting restrictions early and reserving vaccines for his rich donor friends. but that person has finally made it to being tonight's absolute worst. the reidout continues after this. this if your dry eye symptoms keep coming back, inflammation in your eye might be to blame. looks like a great day for achy, burning eyes over-the-counter eye drops typically work by lubricating your eyes and may provide temporary relief. ha! these drops probably won't touch me. xiidra works differently, targeting inflammation that can cause dry eye disease. what is that? 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have you, has the white house had conversations with the joe manchins of the world and the kyrsten sinemas of the world to say you can't work with someone like lindsey graham and we can't overcome something like lindsey graham, who has vowed to stop voting rights at all costs. he doesn't mind being haunted by the ghost of john lewis. he will do whatever it takes to stop voting rights. shouldn't the white house get behind just ending the filibuster? >> well, it's not a white house rule or a law, even, as you know, joy. it's a senate rule. it's a senate process. the president has certainly, he's watching closely. there's a lot of interesting ideas out there. i'm sure he's happy to listen to people and talk to them about their ideas to make changes. he talked just earlier this week about whether it should be harder and not easier to block legislation, return to the talking filibuster, which is an idea that has been put out there. it shouldn't be so easy to do it. his preference is not to make changes because he wants democrats and republicans to work together. he wants to find a way forward. he thinks that voting rights is something that there should be support for, and he's going to keep working at that. but he's happy to hear ideas and he's certainly not going to allow obstruction for important things like making it easier to vote. >> well, that's the q