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Exclusion act had a child born in the united states and it was well settled by the supreme court. and if that wasn't enough, go to 1952, the walter mccarron act, 18 u.s. code, section 1401, a child born in the united states is an american citizen. >> okay. so you don't buy it but let me ask you this what if the president did sign this executive order if it exists and not a mechanism to motivate his base and did sign it, it was challenged in court and then it worked its way up to the u.s. supreme court. is it not possible that it could be upheld and these immigration laws and the 14th amendment...

What would have motivated him. perhaps he felt provoked by ashley and philip's reporting and went off without really thinking through the implications. but this entire idea that donald trump, jr. could have inadvertinantly wandered into a crime is something we haven't focused on and this tweet brings to light. and that's not true. you get criminal liability committing acts with a certain state of mind, not just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. so maybe trump's goal here was to run a public relations campaign like he so often does on twitter. >> let me ask you the u.s. code, whichia ...

Of a -- they are playing around here on this, good p.r., or if that is the real deal. but let's pretend for the moment that is real. your reaction? >> i think it is suicidal. i think it's idiotic. i agree with the professor. here is the real peace here. based on everything we know, they don't have anything close to an obstruction case on the president. but it is much easier, in addition to the stuff that professor dershowitz said, it is much easier to prove a case of flying to the government under 18 u.s. code section 1,001 than it is to prove an obstruction case, particularly based on what th...

Good p.r. or if that's the real deal, but let's pretend for the moment that's real. your reaction? >> i think it is suicidal. i think it's idiotic. i agree with the professor. here is the real piece here. -- the real key here. based on everything we know, they don't have anything close to an obstruction case on the president. but it is much easier, in addition to the stuff that professor dershowitz said, it ic much easier to prove a case of lying to the government undere 18 u.s. code section 1,001 than it is to prove an obstruction c case, particularly based on what they have. it has to be mat...

Collusion, conspiracy, criminal hacking and theft, fraud against the united states, foreign campaign contributions, those are all felonies that relate to what has been alleged in 2016. walk us through your point about what crimes constitute collusion. >> first, the term "collusion" is being used casually. it's a conspiracy to break federal election laws. the federal election law, tite 52 of the u.s. code, says it is a crime to solicit or accept a thing of value from a foreign national in order to influence a federal election. i'm summarizing what is a much longer paragraph. essentially, that's...