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Came out and said that it doesn't do anything to obama care and it put a lot of heat on the republicans in the house; is that right? >> that may be true in part. a lot of people i talked to were supportive. quite frankly our amendment causes people not to support it members are going to have to pay more. there are members on our sidenned at democratic side who don't like that. i think it's helpful in terms of the fight against obama care. if you have a statute that imposes burdens on society and then politically connected can get delays, waivers, or what have you, then, it makes it more diffic...

Walter. amy and dante, i want to get a little quick news out of the way. ben, we know what we're about to hear from boehner officially, what this deal is. essentially the house is agreeing to the framework of the senate deal. their two health care addendums are different. this medical device tax suspension, not a full repeal, and the vitter amendment, sort of the congress should be treated the same into the exchanges but not the staff anymore, relief to a lot of low-paid staff people. we know how this is going to end. how's it going to end? >> it's going to end with the medical device tax comi...

We led to the government shutdown over something that's already the law. been passed by congress. approved by the supreme court. the debate over that should be over. >> there was an election that a lot of people say was sort of a referendum on it. >> not on this vitter amendment. this vitter amendment is new because the congressional exemption is new. >> why tie it to this? >> it's just a vote. that's all it is. >> no, no. senator graham is saying he will object if this is not connected to it. >> no, no, no. he has not said he will object if it doesn't pass. he said he will object if no vote i...

Columnist for the national review. speaking of the national review, john, i want to go with robert costa here, reporting from robert a few moments ago. senator lindsey brgraham will, quote, object to any bill unless the senate also votes on what's called the vitter amendment. the vitter amendment will end federal contributions to federal health care plans. in this is indeed the case, how does this further complicate -- john as well. we can all chime in. how does this further complicate any chance of a deal. >> it embarrasses congress. what they've done is given themselves a special privilege w...

But it's something we should do. what rule one of american democracy should be that washington is treated the same as america. what washington passes for america, it lives with itself. sort of like a restaurant. if the cook isn't eating at the restaurant, something's wrong. that should be rule one of democracy. >> but the democrats and the white house blame you guys, the republicans, as jihadists and hostage takers. >> again on this no washington exemption from obama care issue, president obama and harry reid are the leading opponents of that. again, i think the message from the american peopl...