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NATO is on the path of expansion, with Finland and Sweden set to join the military alliance.

Poland. pam, that's the latest on the region. now back to you in washington. >> thanks. i'll take it from here. >> retired general larry spencer joins us now. he served as vice chief of staff in the air force. hi, general. nice to have you on the show. so i want to start with these comments by president biden today when he said that putin cannot remain in power. now, the white house tried to play cleanup afterward and said he wasn't calling for a regime change, but can the kremlin hear this as anything other than an escalation in your view? >> well, perhaps, but, you know, i think the presiden...

Against the united states. and i would guess that the basis for the warning, which is very appropriate, probably is that the russians have been detected reconnoitering certain networks, and that obviously would be an indicator that they are contemplating doing something which could be an attack. so the warning's appropriate, but, again, it's somewhat surprising to me they haven't done something already. >> yeah, a lot of people are saying that. there's all kinds of different theories for why that hasn't happened yet, but no one can say for sure. i want to ask you about this, the president warn...

Could go on for days, weeks, months, he even said decades. i think he was alluding to the broader conflict between authoritarianism and democracy. you see him trying to make clear this is a fight that people are going to have to have the fortitude to stick with. then you heard the president speaking to europeans who are scared about their own security really for the first time in decades. the president warning putin not to even think about violating 1 inch of nato territory, but also warning europeans that there are going to be costs. here in europe, as they take the steps that are necessary t...

Could deploy chemical weapons in ukraine. you've been hearing a lot that from officials, and the concern is that perhaps a plume from chemical weapons that could be deployed could end up in a nato country. there's all kinds of scenarios. the biden administration has warned that there would be severe consequences if putin deploys chemical weapons. but the administration has also taken a fair amount off the table, such as saying there is going to be no boots on the ground. there's going to be no no-fly zone. so what could those severe consequences be in your view? >> yeah, my personal view is we...