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Seen -- visited with some ukrainian refugees, and i think that probably affected him emotionally. and i think that statement just came out because i think he believes it. i don't think putin will be very surprised by it. there's no love lost between the two of them personally anyway. so i think president biden can count on not getting a christmas card from president putin. >> yeah, i think that's safe to say after he's also called him, you know, a butcher and all kinds of other personal insults, a war criminal, and so forth. but i wanted to hit on something that you said. you said this is what...

True numbers are almost certainly higher. we're going to begin our coverage now, this hour, at the white house and cnn's arlette saenz. the white house was quick to walk back the president's comments that putin cannot remain in power. are they saying he overreached? >> reporter: well, don, this marked a significant escalation in rhetoric from president biden towards russian president vladimir putin as the biden administration has been walking a very fine line when it comes to the idea of regime change. over the past few weeks, top u.s. officials have said that their goal is not to have regime ...

0 the italians are dependent on russian energy. depending on what country you're talking to you get a different answer and agenda. talking about what they could potentially do next, all we have seen essentially is an agreement to diversify, try to find in the next several years a way to diversify away from russian energy sources. also in the last 24 hours after a very very long meeting, i've heard that it was quite a long slog, they decided to potentially do price caps. >> hadley, here comes -- hadley here comes rude interruption from me. just a moment, let's take a listen as we listen to bell...

Ukraine and other former Soviet republics are proud countries. They are not, with all due respect, places we should send U.S. troops to fight and die.