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Constitutes pandering to them. brian: right. so what's the danger of erasing our past? slavery is abhorrent and inexcusable you can't wrap your head around how these smart people can justify it. i get it. what's the danger of taking washington down, jefferson down and diminishing jackson? >> well, i think the danger is that if we have a narrative for this country that is based on shame and looking at all the negatives and not looking at all the positive aspects of american history, then there is no reason for people to be loyal though this country, why should they love a country that was found...

Behind closed doors. >> but they were not using their inside voices, bob, okay? >> this has happened virtually in every one of these scenarios. is that we've had three or four, five of these over the course of time. that, this drags all of washington down, right? there's nobody that comes out riding on a white horse in a white suit. everybody gets dirty from this. i think the white house anticipates that. obviously republicans in congress have anticipated that. and think quite frankly, that what they could gain from this greatly exceeds the baggage that they could take. >> the more worrying, i...

Same as men. gays and lesbians. we have got to fight to open america up and make it fair and even and equal for everyone. that is going to be the message i give. we are in 2013 still dealing with inequality. what '63 taught us we can deal with it but can't deal with it expecting it to come from washington down. movements come from the ground up, not from the top down. >> reverend, stick around. our chris matthews is staying with us too. i encourage all of us to stay with msnbc for our special coverage all day long of the 50th anniversary of the march on washington. coming up today at 4:00 p.m....