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stepian's recorded deposition to try to establish key facts about today's theme, the big lie, that donald trump knew he lost election, but continued anyway to rally his supporters around the false claim that he had won. >> we're also moments away from the supreme court releasing new decisions possibly on the key mississippi abortion case. we'll bring you any of the big cases as we learn about them. let's start with today's hearing because this missing stepian throws a wrench into the committee's plans after laying out how this would play out during the first prime time hearing last w...

Political ideaologist from trump to mccain, to bush, and to christie. and i can work under a lot of circumstances for a lot of varied candidates and politicians. but the situation where -- and i think along the way i have built up a pretty good -- i hope, a good reputation for being honest and professional. and i -- i didn't think what was happening was necessarily honest or professional at that point in time. so, yeah, that led to me stepping away. >> so, the president did get rid of team normal, and i would like to play a clip showing that the president found the people he needed to perpetua...

That number is not as of yet flexible. >> both sides are dug in. i think as we were talking about last hour, the breaking point will come when there is political pain to be felt, when there is an outcry and it falls to one side or the other in terms of the public blame or even those directly affected and that is when we will see a breaking point. that point is not yet on the horizon and it's hard to see when that's going the be happening, joshua. >> i'm glad you mentioned public blame, mike. that might be a good place to start with the panel. what about that, susan? is that kind of where this ...