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Party and pick rand paul instead? this is what we've been hearing about the republican party forever, it seems. they're finally ready to pick a true believer. but it keeps not happening. romney, mccain, bush jr., dole, bush sr. and now here's jeb with a sudden opening thanks to chris christie's troubles, taking a page from his brother's book and reaping the same headli headlines, the same media buzz and the same rebukes on the right. yes, jeb bush hasn't run in an election since 2002. you can argue that he's been out of the arena too long. he's just not in step with today's gop. but you could ...

There have been other governors who have talked about this idea, but no one's actually gotten it this far. peter shumlin was the first statewide candidate democrat to run on a single payer platform. some of the activists there were shocked that someone used single payer and they weren't attacking it in an ad, saying this was a thing we want to do. if you look at neighboring massachusetts, their experiment in 2006 with universal coverage, that's what led to obamacare. i don't think it would be as quickly -- if the massachusetts timeline held five years later, single payer country. i don't think...

Disappointed that it didn't go farther, that it kept the private insurance industry alive. now they're saying we've got this place and it seems to be working pretty well. do you think there's still a thirst there nationally for democrats to use the affordable care act as almost like a steppingstone to single payer eventually, or do you think that -- the appetite for health care reform in the democratic side has been satisfied with what's been done? >> i think there's an appetite for single payer. at least for a public option. but i was really thinking about this during the argument around hobb...

Assessment of jeb bush's immigration comment than most of his fellow conservatives. >> i think what jeb's doing in preparation for maybe running, jeb is saying things to get this conservative backlash to him out of the way. i really think when he says hey, people come in here as an act of love, that's designed to tick us all of, or tick the tea party people off now. get it done with and over with and then out of the way, and move on. >> the question is whether that same george w. playbook from 2000 will work in the republican party of 2016. it's also the question of whether hillary clinton run...

Comes next. do you think that affects republican thinking at all? strategically on who they're going to nominate. if it's hillary, are they more serious about getting a candidate who can win. if hillary's not running, do they start to think a little more creatively? >> well, look, the problem i think people have with dynasties is that these aren't regular people. right? these are people from the political class. these are people who were sort of born into it, or at least have already had a career in it, and in the case of the clintons, but that's the point. if you have someone like hillary cli...