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Welcome to the Washington Times for this special episode of history as it happens a podcast for people who want to think about Current Events historically. Im martin de caro and our guest today Catholic University historian. Michael kimmage. Welcome michael. Thank you for having me. Good to have you here. You are a member of the state departments policy planning staff 2014 to 2016. Your portfolio was russia and ukraine. So you bring a lot of expertise to the subject. Were going to talk about today. You are an expert on Us Russia Relations, and that is the road to war in Eastern Europe. How did...

A Newman Al Jazeera santiago, ah, just look at the main stories that were following the sound. Russian is agencies reporting that at least 11 people have been killed. 15 more wounded. And what a, calling a terrorist act, and a military Training Ground and the southern russian region of belgrade. Meanwhile, Russian Forces upon several towns that Ukrainian Forces have seized in the southern harrison region. Ukrainian military told out there it suspects the russian attacks to secure air defense points and ammunition depos, but not to advance. And the ukraine has shot down an iranian made drone on...

Historian. Michael kimmage. Welcome michael. Thank you for having me. Good to have you here. You are a member of the state departments policy planning staff 2014 to 2016. Your portfolio was russia and ukraine. So you bring a lot of expertise to the subject. Were going to talk about today. You are an expert on Us Russia Relations, and that is the road to war in Eastern Europe. How did we get to this point where europe is seeing its first major land war since World War Two the possible exception of the breakup of yugoslavia a civil war. So lets begin with something. I usually stay away with stay...

History as it happens a podcast for people who want to think about Current Events historically. Im martin de caro and our guest today Catholic University historian. Michael kimmage. Welcome michael. Thank you for having me. Good to have you here. You are a member of the state departments policy planning staff 2014 to 2016. Your portfolio was russia and ukraine. So you bring a lot of expertise to the subject. Were going to talk about today. You are an expert on Us Russia Relations, and that is the road to war in Eastern Europe. How did we get to this point where europe is seeing its first major...

Federation. Let. So once again, bring in patrick barry, hes the defense and security analyst at the university of bath, joining us again from bath in the united kingdom. So patrick barry, we were just witnessing the signing ceremony. And before we broke away, you were saying that while putting was speaking, there was nothing really threatening in what he had to say. But from a Security Point of view, he, he did say that we will work to increase security in these new 4 regions. How, what do you read into that statement . What does he mean by that . Yeah, during yeah, just to clarify what i was ...