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Banks and western money laundering operations? if we're really going to do that as not just as the united states but as the leader of the democratic camp, then i think a meeting is fine. but it has to be as part of a broader strategy. and so far i haven't quite seen that strategy yet. >> so, do you agree with senator sasse that it's too early for president biden to meet with vladimir putin? >> as i said, it depends on what he's going to do with the meeting and what he's going to say. it depends what message he's transmitting. i don't think the meeting itself is the problem. the question is whe...

Point still feeling each other out. it's hard to imagine they can bridge these divides in the next couple weeks. they're going to try because for purposes of optics and who knows what happens, you got to give it an effort, but i do think a lot of what this is all about is biden trying to convince not republicans but skeptical democrats that he put in a good faith effort to good a bipartisan negotiation so if it does come down it to, he can turn to them and say look, i tried. now we need to go the route of reconciliation so we can do it with only democratic support in the senate. >> sam, as you...

Referred to or at least -- it's not like they were just acquaintances who needed parties. yes, he would raise money for her, but he was very involved in the number of different dynamics and he was seen with her, they were considered kind of bodies in a certain way. at one point, when the me too movement started, one actress had noted that she had tried to tell hillary to stop having fund-raisers with harvey weinstein because he was about it, bad man, and that was ignored. so now you have ronan farrow, and we talk about respecting chris hayes, ronan farrow has a great book with a lot of differe...

Gut when this happened and we had that quite often. marianne williamson, shocked at how the left turned on her. martina nerve out to lobo when she came out and said look, it's not fair for transgendered women to compete in sports against women. she came under fire for that. she wrote a blog post saying she effectively was shocked and it has since apologized and is trying to get back. she had to d do the ritual apology. and i'll course, ronan farrow. there's a point where if you are a dolls and end swimming with other animals and they kind of resemble you but you don't take a close look, you mi...

Some of us do, and then you wrote this book. i mean, at what point -- i admire that, let me say. but did you ever expect that you would turn into a writer? >> well, i've been writing all my life i just never thought i would publish it because honestly i'm just afraid i did screw up my favorite hobbies so i never really did anything except write letters and mail them to friends and my mother has been writing the letters her whole life and suddenly all of her letters got published and then i'm thinking well, maybe i should do something too. honestly though i've never thought of myself as a write...