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He t was living the lifestyle, d defrauding people who are being paid for legitimate things. but he didn't get caughthe until he went all over television. until he was drunk on his own sayings. he had people like stephanie ruhle over at msnbc celebrating him, right? until he had -- >> tucker: but where it is judgment? it was so obvious. i actually feel sorry for him at this stage. there is clearly something wrong with him. i don't want to speculate, but there's clearly something wrong -- there has always been something wrong with the guy. any person who spent 2 minutes with him we know that, a...

Intelligence committee go and ask for a grant of immunity for him for any testimony he gave. because he's already serving time, he's already in jail. my guess's is the justice department would go along with that grant of immunity. and so he would -- they would effectively bar him from pleading the fifth. >> and so jill, this sets up paul manafort now after his sentencing next week to possibly be a very significant witness in congress. let's listen, first of all, before wet' get to this, of wha the president said about the possibility of pardoning paul manafort. >> i don't talk about that now. ...

Ten years, you're pretty much eliminating the possibility he't going to do this again because he's going to be 80 years old by the time he gets out. if you go for a longer sentence than that, is the rationale for it deterrence for others who are out there now? >> that's certainly one of them. look, it's not just deterrence. it's punishment. we're going to punish you for doing what you did over a period of years repeatedly and intentionally and consciously. and it's deterrence, making sure that other people understand exactly how important this crime is and how important it is that you be sente...

Defeat for president trump. for trump to not get not only the money he down. >> for trump to not get the money, not to get on the table not given an amazing defeat. >> d your explanation to the question i raised and you know donald trump before he was president, even a spin aner lik him isn't going to spin around -- didn't say he won't try. >> today he said he's happy. >> i think he knows it's a defeat and he a gave an impromp response. by tonight he may have his spin stuff out. we know that he right then -- he was like ari guy that had gotte knocked out. he's clearing his het gad getti

To fulfill his responsibilities in that position. >> are you saying mr. whitaker with his public statements and writings and comments on television should be recused from overseeing the mueller probe based on the statement? >> i would think there is a very strong case that given his public acknowledgement of his prejudiced view on this issue. he should recuse himself. >> andy, more recusal talk what they pushed sessions into doing. i know there's a debate about that. i think sessions didn't have to recuse himself. he t rushed to recuse himself. a lot of pressure and he wilted, in my view. is t...