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As that. the firing of the fbi director, james comey. and the firing of national security adviser michael flynn. so those are the ones that -- so those are what they're talking about now. so his interests go beyond those four topics though. don't you think it goes beyond that? it goes beyond just simple collusion, i would think. that's why i asked john about is in an obstruction case. so this is not ending anytime soon. >> it's sprawling. just think of all the buckets here. number one, gets to the basic issue of collusion. two and three on your list get to more of the obstruction of justice. f...

That. the question about whether cambridge analytica or nonfrom the trump campaign provided the russians with the raw facebook data and the disinformation campaign that somehow influenced the election. that's the big -- and will robert mueller look into that? >> well he is looking into it. remember in the indictments against the russians facebook is mentioned several times. there is this sort of not -- we don't know it yet but not yet proved connection between the different actors. what he will say is that the trump campaign's insistence now that cambridge analytica was a second rate data mana...

That cambridge analytica was a second rate data management. >> not helpful. >> that had to do with the trump campaign is a bogus explanation. we know when trump won there was focus on the data team led by or chaired by jared kushner and what they were able to do with the information cam principle analytica had. there are strong ties. whether mueller is connecting all of those circles we don't know yet. but he is looking. >> that's got to be the last word. thank you fascinating conversation. i could talk to you both about it all night. it would be great if facebook with people like me who have ...

And hard to report on is that literally no one in the white house knows what the president is thinking. >> well, there you have it right. they have no idea. >> they have no idea. i have senior people who are calling reporters to ask us what we've heard and got our read on whose in and out. you go with them with a tip or piece of reporting. their response is that sounds crazy but that sound entirely plausible. until the president says or tweet something his own staffers that are helping him manage the government in the white house knows just as little as the media and the public. >> there is so...

Does suspect they have something. >> he certainly does. >> it's consistent with what we're hearing. whether mueller gets will is another question. what he's asking questions about, where he's investigating. we've heard this from sources that gloria and i asked about. we've heard it from steve bannon of "fire and fury." that both people who have been interviewed by the special counsel, that includes sam nunberg and others in the administration, believe that mueller's focus is increasingly on business dealings. that's partly their supposition but also based on the kinds of questions, as nunberg ...