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Wrong, it s a totally appropriate conversation. all right. thank you so much, nbc s hans nichols at the white house live for us. thank you, hans. let s go tower the only, new york times reporter julian barnes, and former u.s. attorney in the eastern district of michigan and msnbc legal analyst barbara mcquade. julian, you ve been following this story for the new york times here. lots of moving parts. what do we know in terms of the latest of the story specifically, the whistle skbloer what the whistleblower may have said? well, we don t know all the details of the whistleblower s complaint, but what we do know is that it involves ukraine and it involves president trump s pressure on the ukrainian government to investigate joe biden. we re all focusing on this july call, this call where mr. trump told the ukrainian president to talk to rudy giuliani. he repeatedly made that demand ....