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Appeal to the party because she is considered a front runner alongside the chancellor as a potential prime minister in waiting. in potential prime minister in waitini. , ., waiting. in terms of her trajectory _ waiting. in terms of her trajectory so _ waiting. in terms of her trajectory so far - waiting. in terms of her trajectory so far which i waiting. in terms of her. trajectory so far which has been pretty strong in terms of her career, when she was in the position of international trade secretary, of course she would be extremely aware and au fait with the difficulties of the northern ire...

In waiting, and not doing a lot of interviews, not doing town halls, and doing not a lot of these big cattle call events. california, san francisco -- or, los angeles, san francisco, and iowa, as peter mentioned. we will see if that works. you've got a long way to go. eight months before people start voting, i would being the first for that. >> harris: it's interesting, hearing you say the words "nominee-in-waiting," almost as a tinge of inevitability. that didn't work out for the last nominee. >> that's true. the biden people are betting that the democratic field is in a slight to safety to m...

Becoming a member of congress and then governor of indiana, he actually sort of heard in his being god's direction. and he thought that god was calling him to now be vice president and function as a president in waiting. so we see donald trump in this huge crisis, this rolling chaos, and i think with everyday mike pence imagines he's one day closer to the oval office. >> i want to unpack that if i can. we'll get to the religion in a moment there. if you're talking about political ambition. if mike pence wanted to be president, all that does is make him 100 senators, 50 governors and 35 members...

Business politics and then this christian right base. he says i'm a christian first. a conservative second. and a republican last. and the thing that bothered us as we investigate in him is the idea of america as a pluralistic society, as a country where we're not supposed to be as tribal as he seems to be isn't very present in his heart and mind. he is really about this special interest group. >> so why is he in the shadows? >> oh, well, he is in the shadows waiting. you know? and we think of him as a president in waiting. the people around him say mike will be ready. and by that, they mean h...

>> the president doing it to clear the stage for the picture, taking a photo op. >> pence is not a stupid guy. i watch pence. reused to talk about the nancy reagan gaze. i thought it was for real. his is a diagonal look at the back of the neck. he wants all stills the show him. clearly he's a vice president in waiting. they wait for their turn. somebody once said he has the soul of a vice president. that's a sad statement. >> in fact, we've seen some very strong vice presidents and relationships joe biden, walter mo mondale.