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About, that they would do. how does a white house, how do democrats plan not only for the overreach, but do not get in the way? >> right, the most important thing for democrats is to remember why they won in 2020, but also why they surpassed expectations in 2022. they ran on an agenda, they ran on what they were doing to make peoples lives better, whether it was the inflation reduction act, no one talks about it that way, but doing something for the climate, helping people with health care and every day costs, they have an agenda to run on. what is true for the democrats and that advantage for...

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Committee's work is so important, it is fundamentally about the type of america that we want, whether we honor the rule of law through the constitution. >> jump in here, rene, what are your thoughts? >> what do you do with lawmakers who refused to uphold the law? what do you do with people who defy the constitution? they have to be held accountable, nothing else really matters if you can't hold people accountable who deci that the constitution is not only worth fighting for but is worth destroying, for their own political needs? whatever drove them to do this, they have to be held accountable....

Ramping up the pressure over the next few weeks. i will say, i do think this gets resolved intel, i mean the voters january 3rd, the speaker about. it comes in, and then the next is the speaker. they'll call for speaker, but he stands up and votes. i don't expect that it will be resolved in the day, or the -- >> for someone who you say is an inside outside game, and really ramping up the pressure, shouldn't he have the sewn up by now? and that's a rhetorical question. when you really think about it. so is, it and buy all right and thinking that mccarthy pushing off the committee race to act in...

What would you do? i said, mister president, i would resign immediately. >> president trump did not fail to act during the 187 minutes between leaving va -- and telling the mob to go home, he chose not to act. >> if the justice department acts on the referrals, and trump is found guilty, former presidential prosecutor says trump could face up to 25 years and prison, and be barred from ever holding office again. joining me now, jill wine-banks, former assistant, watergate special prosecutor, msnbc contributor, and author of the watergate girl. my fight for truth and justice against a criminal p...