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>> i don't know. i think it will be a fight and will go on for a long time. republicans are concerned it's going to bring out if you look at the various polls there's a lot of support for doing things about climate change. you walk away from and it's been lost a lot on the environmental side. we have been engulfed in the mueller and everything else. there's so many things going on. historians may recall or say that's the single most important issue. that americans are dealing with. with pruitt, there's a growing sense in the public once they understand what he's up to and as well as the rental...

Potential testimony could make the president a target. we've heard the president say that he would love to speak to mueller, but do you think that would be a bad idea, jennifer? >> for him to speak to mueller? >> yeah. >> a terrible idea! if i were his lawyer, i would say, heck, no! i mean, what we are seeing him -- >> you would be john dowd and you would be gone. >> right, i'm sure i would be. but i know he pretends like he's so confident, but really, i think what ana is saying, and i think you see it in the dissembling on the tweets that he continues to put out, which contain so many falseho...

>> you would be john dowd and you would be gone. >> right, i'm sure i would be. but i know he pretends like he's so confident, but really, i think what ana is saying, and i think you see it in the dissembling on the tweets that he continues to put out, which contain so many falsehoods, is that he is freaked out about this. and he shouldn't -- i mean, if i were -- i mean, i think for the american people, it would be great if he testified. but i do think he would put himself in significant jeopardy. >> yeah. mike, "the washington post" also reporting that the special counsel told trump's lawyers...

Regard to gates. it doesn't appear that he is going to take it at this point. but i think mueller is really solidifying and has solidified ale i had if not air tight case against both manafort and gates at this particular point. i think they are prepared to prosecute. it's a strong case. and at some point it could be done the road after convictions -- manafort and fwaets will tell gates and will and mueller what they know. and the information collected as the chairman and deputy chairman of the trump campaign. >> is it. >> is mueller trying to tie in the financial crimes he has charged them wi...

But they filed a status report in the district of columbia with that case. because there are now two pending criminal cases against these guys. that status report revealed that they filed this action in virginia because they didn't have venue in the district of columbia and the parties -- none of the defendants would agree to it, so they got a separate indictment on them. it kind of hints that they might not have gotten it had they cooperated. >> so, ken, would mueller even consider a plea agreement if he didn't know he would get important information in return? >> well, the -- a plea agreemen...