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january six committee. and i just think it's a risk. because what if he loses? what is he supposed to say? the supreme court are bunch of traders? these are the people he appointed. >> of course, [laughs] , of course that's exactly what you do. john, listen, tara really just said how i feel. is it because it's such a small carve out here, right? is it -- our he and his attorneys pointing to this one little thing that they could win, so they at least can say that they have a win, even though it is -- it seems incremental, or, you know, it does not really matter that much? you get my p...

supreme court has ruled against him so many times when it comes to disclosing his public information, including to january six committee. and i just think it's a risk. because what if he loses? what is he supposed to say? the supreme court are bunch of traders? these are the people he appointed. >> of course, [laughs] , of course that's exactly what you do. john, listen, tara really just said how i feel. is it because it's such a small carve out here, right? is it -- our he and his attorneys pointing to this one little thing that they could win, so they at least can say that they hav...

Bundy ranch in nevada, and oregon, -- mahler wildlife refuge. so this is resistance to law enforcement -- oath keepers have engaged in prior. so there was plenty of criminal predicate for the fbi, to justify a broad investigation. and we know the oath keepers were only one of several groups that were there on january six. so it's hard to imagine why they didn't understand that all of these groups coming to d. c. at the same time, posed a problem. >> sara, this trial is happening in federal court, where cameras are not allowed. for cases significant, wouldn't transparency be better here? listen...

Problem. >> sarah, this trial is happening in federal court, where cameras are not allowed. for cases significant, wouldn't transparency be better here? listen, you are our eyes and ears, and the reporters and producers who are in that courtroom. but just for the sake of transparency, you know? >> i -- i don't know if it's as much transparency, because literally, every single word that's being said and quite as being sent out in some form. but i do think that it is seeing is believing. right? so if the public sees people talking, when they can relate and listen to tone of voice, and listen to ...