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took a donation of a millon pounds from the bin laden family of saudi arabia two years after osama bin laden was killed. the family disowned him in 1994. now on bbc news, it's hardtalk with stephen sackur. welcome to hardtalk. i'm stephen sackur. south africa is in a long—term flirtation with political and economic chaos. mass unemployment, power cuts and rising crime are stoking discontent and instability. my guest today isjulius malema, former anc loyalist turned populist enemy of the ruling party. could one of africa's richest nations be consumed by insurrectionist violence? jul...

my guest today isjulius malema, former anc loyalist turned populist enemy of the ruling party. could one of africa's richest nations be consumed by insurrectionist violence? julius malema in bloemfontein, south africa, welcome to hardtalk. thank you very much. mr malema, south africans are facing a very grave economic crisis. there's deep uncertainty in the country. why are you adding to that uncertainty by calling for the removal of president ramaphosa? it's the most logical thing that, when a leader of a current government doesn't perform well or the country is in a crisis, that le...

segment. i'm going to tell you what else we have coming because we are tracking a separate a new criminal subpoena for trial lawyer rudy giuliani. there's also some signs of the january 6th probe is breaking through with independence and the younger tiktok crowd. michael steele will be here for a segment that we hope will be as sharp as it is viral. perhaps. tiktok reference. by the end of the hour, we will be talking bob dylan, barack obama and kurt cobain with the right icon you see. the one and only dave grown on the beat tonight for our special mavericks interview. you might ...

of birmingham. this is bbc news. now, it's time for hardtalk with stephen sackur. welcome to hardtalk. i'm stephen sackur. south africa is in a long—term flirtation with political and economic chaos. mass unemployment, power cuts, and rising crime are stoking discontent and instability. my guest today isjulius malema, former anc loyalist turned populist enemy of the ruling party. could one of africa's richest nations be consumed by insurrectionist violence? julius malema in bloemfontein, south africa, welcome to hardtalk. thank you very much. mr malema, south africans are facing a ...

julius malema in bloemfontein, south africa, welcome to hardtalk. thank you very much. mr malema, south africans are facing a very grave economic crisis. there's deep uncertainty in the country. why are you adding to that uncertainty by calling for the removal of president ramaphosa? it's the most logical thing that, when a leader of a current government doesn't perform well, or the country is in a crisis, that leader should leave office and give others an opportunity who can come and do a much better work. because i don't think that mr ramaphosa has got a coherent plan as to how he'...