Ive known them for a long. Came to ono the name jason achieve vet when he became the kirk at byu. Hat the records also the most successful points after touchdown scored in a single game and i think in a single season and he was also famous for the fact that immediately after he kicked a field goal or a p. A. T. , the helmet would come off and then he had this awesome slow jog to the sidelineslines d became famous for that. It resulted some n something called the chaffetz rule but played a key role in his success as a statesman in the state of utah, people came to know him, and they knew who he was. I remember many years later, long after he made for byu and had a successful career as a businessman, i met him in person for the first time, i was quite star struck because he was a big deal. Met him while he was running governor huntsmans campaign for governor, and jason che vet convinced me hundreds mon was going to be in the next governor. And surveil mences after that, for governor hushesman got elected he, me called me and said i was under consideration for a position within the huntsman administration. We had a chat, and we hit it off, and we ended up working together i served as for huntsmans General Council when Jason Chaffetz chief of staff and i became his chauffeur. We lived closer together than any other two members of the senior staff, and at wasnt point, jason broke his foot, long story, we wont get into that. But sounds like the punchline to a joke and was actually quite serious. He fell and broke his foot and had to be in a cast and had to be salivated for several months so i would pick him up at his home and he would sit in the back seat of the car so he could keep his foot elevated, and i asked him if he wanted me to get a chauffeurs hat. I only charged him for he had to be subjected to my lengthy rants of constitutional issues and to listen to tape recorded Supreme Court argue. S, which who wouldnt want to do that . But i digress. Were not here to talk about that. Were here to talk but the fact that first of all jay con chaffetz is a hero when it comes to defending individual liberty and fighting big go. Willing to call out the left, both who those who identify themselves arizona pat of the left and those who just want to build Big Government. He is someone who understands the fact that there is something of a zero sum game when it comes to defending liberty. If you are government, as you get bigger, become more powerful as a government, you do so at the expense of individual liberty. He understand the fact that government itself is not and never can be, never will be, omniscient, omnipotent or consistently ben envelope lent. The government is the use of collective force. Organized force and its run by fall able mortal individuals. Consequently we have to carefully constrain its power and we have to make sure its not abused. In his latest book, power grab, Jason Chaffetz talk buzz the government levers and effectively weaponizing the threatening power of government in a way that advances the political agent of the left or another way of describing it might be advancing the politicalling a of those who would expand government at the expense of individual liberty. He blows a whistle on how they have weaponnized the use of criminal investigations in order to achieve a particular political outcome. New to be clear, as he makes here in power grab, this isnt a simple question of the red team versus the blue team. This is a question of vs. Centralized government power. We fought a war over that and we won that war. And we shouldnt be eager to go back to a system in which government knows best and which government holds all the power. We as a people are the sovereigns, and we cant go back to a time where atlanta is notes the case. Where that is not the case and why his book, power grab is an important tool for those that want to police in a land where they are free. Whether you call yourself a conservative or a liberal or libertarian or Something Else, it shouldnt matter. What should matter to you is the concept of liberty. The concept that government exists for certain limit purposes, to make sure were secure and to make sure that we have an enterprise that uses collective force for the purpose of defending life, liberty, property. The more we deviate from that, the more we run into a very real risk of a power grab. Where we become less free and less secure in our lives and liberty and our property. There isnt a day goes by i dont miss having jason serve in the house of representatives. Someone who in addition to being a trusted friend and colleague when we worked in government huntsmans office, someone who i came to trust and love working with when he was serving in the house of representatives and during my time in office in the senate. Its hard to remember an issue where he and i took opposing viewpoints. He and i worked together on countless issues. I take comfort, though, in the fact that hes able to do an enormous amount of good where he is, and forming the American People informing the American People but the risk of Big Government and keeping them inform what is going on in washington, and he is exercising a lot of influence by writing books like power grab. With that join me in walking Jason Chaffetz, the author of power grab. Well, thank you. Thank you for having me. Thank you for being here, thanks to senator lee. Appreciate it. He had a vote and now has to hustle back because he has another vote on the floor. So probably best he do that. So i get to tell mike lee stories while hes not here. Thats even better. I first met mike amazing to me because we were at the utah county convention. Theres literally a thousand plus people at the event and this gentleman comes up and we Start Talking and he introduces himself as mike, and i said, do you have a card organize something . Whats your full name he said mike lee, and i knew. He is the spitting image of his father who was the previous had been the president of Brigham Young university, and he said, mike lee. Said any relation to rex lee . And he said, yeah, thats my dad. And i could tell already already knew that before heavensed the question. Related to him. Rex lee was the solicitor general for ronald reagan. And he had argued some 100 plus cases, i believe, before the Supreme Court, so fast forward to when mike is the im the chief of staff and hes the general counsel, one of the best things i did while i was chief of staff, and itself is true, i broke my foot, i broke any right foot and i couldnt use the accelerator. Tried to convince my wife i could driveliftfooted and she said youre not doing that. He would drive me to and from every day, and what he didnt tell you is that he had a cassette tape player in his car and liked to listen to his dad argue these Supreme Court cases so he would put the cassette case tape in there, thats how much the guy loved the law and we would listen to the oral presentations before the Supreme Court, and i learn a lot, but thats what mike does for fun, hes not listening to music or anything like that. Have to love a guy who is that committed to it. Mike is going to walk us through here a few things. I want to acknowledge my wife, julie, who is here with me. Appreciate her being here. I appreciate all of you being here. Want to thank the heritage offense for picking this possible the gate heritage does in terms of informing people, bag resource. While i was in congress, even after in congress, such a great resource and so many good minds thinking through tough issues so helpful. The quick of why i wrote the book, as i say at the beginning, steven covey, seek first to understand and then be understand and i believe that. And i believe what margaret of thatter said first you need to win the argue. Then you can win the votes. And i always felt even before i came to congress, before i ran, but certainly became more evident once i was there that republicans, conservatives, we were very pathetic in our communications. First of all we were get nothing help from the mass media. The National Media would not be a conduit to which we could get our message thought and have the platform or time to be able to do that. So it was compounded be that but always felt like we as conservatives had the right message. We just didnt say it very well. And we didnt say it enough. And i remember when i was first in congers met with eric kantor, who had a senior position at the at the time because i had been invited to be on fox news, and i had i couldnt believe it. So i called up eric cantor and i said are you all right if i go on fox news . And he is like, jason, are you kidding me . You need to go out there as much as you possibly can to get out our message and go on every a network and talk about why you believe what you believe. It was the right answer. Itself was good advice. And i would argue that we need more people who can get in front of the cam razz to go on all the networks to talk about what it is we believe and give that perspective. I dont buy into the idea that you need to just sit back and, oh, well theyre not going to give us a fair shake so we wont go on limit did more interviews on msnbc and cnn you probably didnt see them not that many people saw them but than i did on fox news, and so eight and a half years in congress, then i left in a very pressed to have this contributor relationship with fox, but i always felt like i can still contribute in the Public Square because now more than ever i can get out there and talk about issues that matter, that matter for our country, and at least from a conservative standpoint, and its been very blessed to have this relationship with Harper Collins who did my first poock, called the deep state, the New York Times best seller and just launches this book, seven days ago, power grab, which is the bifurcates into who different areas, howl the democrat are using the levers of power they have, and to do things that you all wouldnt necessarily see unless you had maybe been in congress or really, really paying attention, but you need somebody to draw your attention to them . And then what are the things theyre doing outside of congress to change the and the narrative and those are the first two chapters of the book that should scare he living daylights out of you because they are doing some things on theft that will affect all of us, whether you realize it or not. We as conservatives and republicans dont play offense nearly enough. Democrats are always playing offense, always on offense. And thats what i think i articulate here. Mike will walk it through and then well do some q a. I hope so. We can hope it up. Full discreet i work for the former congressman when he was the chairman of the House Oversight committee and in his book theres some enemy rid of the good time we had when he was running the committee so well go through a couple of those. I like to start off with your final town hall right after trump was elected. Things got ugly, good tablesetter for what the environment looks like now. Can you tell us about that. I wright about is in in the forward. I had won my fifth term in congress. It was blessed to get 73 of the vote. This because roughly four or five weeks, as i recall, after donald trump had been sworn in so were talking the heart of winter in utah, and all of a sudden im having town hall meeting. I have had i dont know how many. Love the town hall meetings. Usually a group this size, people can interact. Learned a lot by the questions theyre asking. Its a good format. The quick of it is, democrats got ahold of this and they had this group called indivisible utah which had a national presence, but they had a specific manual about how to take over a town hall meeting. This thing blossomed and blew up into a thousand plus people that were showing up and they warranted to create this illusion, its a recuring them but they want tote create this illusion that a conservative republican in a safe district who just happened to be the chairman of the Oversight Committee with the newly minuted president of the United States, donald trump, was his votes were mad. They need to do his job and he needs to hold he president accountable and needed to do this and do and that had this long list of demanies of things they wanted me to do. Much of which i didnt think were within the purview of the United States congress. And so much so it got out of control and you have to read the accountant. 30plus police officers. You had people openly carrying weapons with masks in the parking lot. We had s. W. A. T. Teams. It was i turned into a fiasco. The highlight of which ill give you. There were two members of the National Media that had shown up. Now issue dont remember ever having National Media show up to my town hall after i won my fifth election, with 73 of the vote, were weeks into the 115th congress, really . This one reporter insisted she interview me, and i said, well, let me talk to her on the phone first. And i said to her, why are you here . Why how here. Guest well, we have a source in San Francisco that says theres going be a riot and perhaps a fire. And i said, really. I said, did you ever think that maybe did you tell Law Enforcement about that . Did you call my office about that . Youre only telling me this because i asked you why youre here. And she said, no. And i said, youre going to literally put a thousand plus people in danger if you think theres going to be a riot and a fire potentially youre telling me people might die. You believe theres enough credibility, thats why youre here, and these people were doing live shots from my town hall meeting. And it just i call it the last town hall, the last one i did. But this is how these people play. There is this kind of recuring theme in here that they really do believe on that radical far left side, they throw all these labels like fascist and all these really negative terms on donald trump, but what i see them doing is exactly what they claim the president was doing. That in order to protect our free tom, they need to take it away. In order to make sure the First Amendment is in place they need to take our rights under the First Amendment. Its just a recuring theme, but i can go on and on but this town hall meeting because used as a tool and prop. People from all states and wanted to create an a media illusion walt a utah and a conservative republican ticket and and say look how much problem donald trump is creating for everybody, which was not true. In your book you get into a lot of examples of double standards or hypocrisy and when you first came to congress, republicans were referred to as the party of no on instructionists. Now the media and others like to call the left the resistance, thissing myological name that connotes some positive justification. What do you make of that . How often have you heard the republicans or the party of no, that just because were somehow opposed to a Public Policy position, that barack obama and the democrats were championing, that we were the party of no. But if all of sudden you dont wear the liberal credentials, unless you are antitrump no matter what, no matter what position you he possibly takes theyll take the opposite one. I did that when i was in third grade, yes, you do, no, you didnt, no, you didnt oh, didnt know how to answer the question. And its very true. I awe somebody today on the street wearing a black shirt with white lettering said resistance, like they were proud they were part of the resistance movement. Lets be a little bit more adult and tackle it issue by issue. Lets have the debate and i do believe that the more conservatives actually have the debate we win the debate and i have been going around the country telling people, and i want to share this message with you, really do believe we cant be afraid of having that discussion, but lets also talk from our hearts. Im tired of conceding the compassion card to the democratics. Theyre not the more come passionate carrying group and i worry when we have the discussion we want to smother people withstatistics and numbers and the study. I think we also as conservatives i have my campaign hat on a little did also need to talk why we believe what we believe. I think we are in part successful because we talked about principles. No matter what the issue is, lets go to the principle. My guess is if youre here at this meeting this day you have a set of principles. That you believe in. But i think that a lot of conservatives forget to step one, lets talk but why you believe what you believe. Then we can argue how we get there and the individual policy position. Thats not democrats want to shut down the debate. Want to create this evil appearance that how dare you. Thats why i think all this polling we do, day after day on television and newspapers, its just a bunch of hogwash. People dont want toed a hit theyll vote for donald trump as opposed to, say, Hillary Clinton because they dont want their neighbors or somebody else to beat them over the head with it. Try to embarrass them. Thats part of the strategy. Want to embarrass people. One of my favorite part of the book when you put your investigator hat on and dig through the tax returns of big nonprofits on the left. That did you discover how to the operations are financed and the shady accounting tricks and full disclosure at heritage im glad i learned about the tricks for the first time in this book. We dont do that. This is what people need understand. You look at the priorities that they have put forward in congress, and you look through any poll that is out there, about what are the most important issues, right . Youll hear about health care. Youre going to hear about the economy. Youre going to hear about immigration. Why is it that nancy pelosi has hr1. House resolution 1. What is her first bill . Anything to do on the top 20 or 0 top 5. No hr1 is about how to reconfigure elections. She wants to reconstitute how we do elections in this country. Because its their calculus, my theory that i law out in the book, they have to recop figure how they do vote hoe we do voting in this country in order for them to win longterm. So, one of the weapons of war, i think, is something that im guessing 98 of you never heard of before, and that is they have learned to weaponize not for profits. Planned parenthood, southern poverty law center, aclu and i have a laundry list. The 7990. 990 is a form they need to fill out essentially as the top line tax return for a not for profit. And what youre going to see consistently in these 990s, is a profit entity called Grassroots Campaigns inc. There are a 100 different types of organizations that this Douglas Phelps has been involved. In. Fundraisers to joe biden, barack obama when he went and work for this organization, credited this organization not Grassroots Campaign inc. But the one that Douglas Phelps is involved in, teaching him how to win campaigns. Believe him, believe barack obama, this how they learned how to do this. You are a 501 c 3 , which is a not for profit, where you if you make donation you get a tax writeoff. Then a 501 c 4 s some are a allowed to engage more politics but have a different tax treatment on how you can write off your taxes and talk to your tax account if you have questions. But these 501 c 3 organizations, as a not for profit, this gentleman here could go and make 10 million donation. Going to get a tax benefit from doing so. But that is Nonprofit Organization is hiring a forprofit organization, Grassroots Campaign inc. That will do fundraising. They will put on tshirts, aclu, southern poverty law center, planned parenthood, and then theyll start knocking doors. Planned parenthood will go and knock on your door and say were raising money, 50 bucks for planned parenthood. You with us or against us . I love planned parenthood, ill give you 100. What does that tell you but the vote center what does that tell you about that person . Think theyre going vet for the democrat or the republican . You hate planned parenthood. You thick theyre an awful organization. Ding, ding, ding. Thats a voter we have now identified that we dont want to have voting in the next election. What they do is because the forprofit entity has now gathered all this information, then they go and they work for the dnc, the dccc, in swing states and can go out and target individuals bypassing all of the Campaign Finance rules. If this gentleman wanted to participate in an election, historied Campaign Contribution is limited to 2,800 and certain things you can and cannot do with that money. But the problem here is if you look at the charts we put in there planned parenthood, for instance, over an eight year period, every single year they hired Grassroots Campaigns inning to do fundraising and they lost money. They did not raise as much as they spent, and then theyd hire them again and spend more money we ever. The they lost Something Like 11 million over 8 years. Why would they do that . Why . I raised that as a question because if youre going to have the irs do an audit, this is the place they should be doing an audit because theyre strictly prohibited from engaging in ties type of Campaign Work and yet theyre blatant about it and i wish everybody would realize. Second part, move can question, address it later, but later on hr1, about vote harvesting. You may have heard this term but basically democrats in legislation have southed the idea, want to make this law, everywhere you go, that you do not have to be present to actually vote. Vote harvesting allows somebody not to pick on this gentleman here, just sat in the prime seat here can go around, in fact theres a times story but this whom who is an undocumented person, here illegally, she is not without shes here illegally, going out and collecting ballots from all of you, can knock on your door and say i know you didnt get the polldidnt want to fill out your ballot. I know its inconstant vote but if you give me your ballot, fill it out and ill turn it in for you. Anything you think can go wrong in that sort of scenario . Yeah, a lot can go wrong. If you look at their dish believe its eight seats in california that the republicans lost there were thousands and thousands of votes that showed up after the deadline, that came in, oh, my gosh, miraculously in favor of the democrats. And in proportions that were totally different. Why are we having this special election in North Carolina . Its illegal to do vote harvesting in North Carolina. Ironically joe kennedy, congressman from massachusetts, complained about it, see, the republicans are cheating. You just voted on legislation to make this legal everywhere the country. This is but one thing out of a list of 30 that the democrats are trying to do to grab back more power, change the way we do things and i we dont openunder our eyes theyre going to blow through this. Dont know how you win an election in california when democrats play by different rules than republicans and engage in this type of vote harvesting. Theres elfed it happened in arizona, against martha mcsally, evidence its happened in other places, too. Even in utah, theres some allegations that thousands of votes showed up after the deadline. Doctorses elected as the county clerk, what are you going to do . Who is going to be the eyeballs . Its a scary scenario. Congressional oversight as changed quite a bit since you Left Congress and unfortunately not for the better. Certain things were out of bounds when you were there but now it seems that the more personal, the more vicious, the more likely the left will call hearings and investigations into these topics. How has it changed and what damage has it done to the institution . So, the i guess the thing that will make the biggest mark on you, the biggest philosophical change, the Oversight Committee was founded in 1814. It was there to oversee any and all government expenditures. Now, its had gyrations, Different Committee names, Abraham Lincoln when he came on the committee, this was his Committee Assignment when he was in the United States congress. Its interesting. He became known as spotty. He was challenging the president , where were the origin of the Mexican American war and didnt a great history of this committee and what its been able to do. What is interesting it what changed when i left because the oversight in Government Reform Committee changed, and now nancy pelosi and Elijah Cummings changed the name of the committee to the committee on oversight and reform. The democrats dont believe that government is the problem. They think its the solution to everything theyve dont neat to look at what government is doing because government is all good. And what you see now are hearings and a press to go after individuals and individual corporations. That is not necessarily the purview of the United States congress. Again, the committee is why the widest birth of any jurisdiction two Supreme Court cases we lay out here where oversight was wings were clipped back to try to get it on the straight and narrow, which is look after government. We had hearings, for instance, on Mylan Pharmaceuticals and the epipen situation, the pharma boy. Where we did call it into individual corporations. But what we also did is god the fda and health and Human Services to say how did this happen . What Elijah Cummings is doing is demanding and sending out subpoenas and directives to go and letters in record amounts to look under the books without any evidence of wrongdoing, by the way. Presupposing the outcome on fishing expeditions to go look into the lives of individuals, and if you have proximity to trump trump, look out. Because that is a primetime target. This operating agreement which nobody has seen the light of day between Elijah Cummings, jerry mad her, maxine waters, adam schiff and theres a fifth one in there how they were going to do investigations and how they were going to do impeachment. These people laid this all out before the 116th Congress Even started. But its all premised on the idea they were going to be essentially, i believe, the Campaign Research arm for the democrats. I think thats what theyre doing right here, right now. There is no justification or evidence to justify a lot of this. They are just literally want to find out what lets go figure it out, then figure out what the crime is, but it all started with the idea and the premise we dont need to limit government. We need to look at people and individuals. Its scary that the congressional the branch of government that they would engage in this kind of witchhunt, this kind of power grab, this sort of diving deep, it is scary, the abuse of the power that is going on there. One of the most high profile examples is the confirmation process of justice kavanaugh. Talked how choreograph ited was. We go through whole books you can write on just kavanaugh situation but the prework, what try to focus on is the work they were doing and outlines they had. No matter who it was, this is going to be a narrative about a frat boy just out of control and gone awry, the clearest example its been out there, not brand spanking new in my book but remind people about the press release that was already written with xxx, just needed to fill in the name, and when you see that in sum total in retrospect put together in the way we did it in this chapter, it reminds you of how evil and how bad it was, and i do think its almost humorous that the democratic senators, every single one of them had pledged to vote no and then complained about the lack of openness and transparency. You still have senator schumer and the others say this is a trick they always do. Right . They always do this. They ask for things they know cannot be given to them. You cannot reveal by law grand jury material. You cannot there is executive privilege that a president has with his senior most advisers. What jerry nadler does addition did in the kavanaugh situation is they ask for information that the president has executive privilege on. Its the same claim that barack obama claimed, but i wanted to get ben rhodes before our butterey to stalk about the iran deal and i invited him to testify before the oversight commit year. He was doing public speeches. Certainly has has time do the media and public speeches. He can talk to congress about this, oh, no, no, they claimed executive privilege. Said theres a separation of powers issue and i dropped it. I didnt issue a subpoena. The difference now is cummings and nadler will issue a subpoena, see theyre endont comply but they know if it goes to court, they will never win. But they dont care because that court date will come after the next election. They want to create a narrative i guarantee youll hear nadler and cummings say we issued 250 subpoenas and they never responded. Most of them are wholly bogus and a court would just laugh. The out of there the ranger nadler became the chairman of the Judicial Committee he went before his colleagues on the democratic side of the compile said im better suited to pursue impeachment. Ill do impeachment. And thats how he beat out. Lofgren, who and she became the chairman of the committee and this is what he is doing, abusing his power. One last question for me and then shift to q a, well end on a positive night. Whats the path forward, what should conservatives be looking towards to reign this . I try to do this in the deep state and did is in in paragraph on first purpose. I dope want to just lay out all the bad. You come and listen to the meeting and youre bummed out. Not the feelgood meeting of the year, try end on a positive note that this is the greatest country on the face of the planet. Somehow, some way the American People figure these things out. They . Out authenticity and understand these issues, but we have to be aware of them. The very fact i write youre reading the book guess news. The fact that people want to dive deeper on the issues. But i also think its incumbent that we engage in federalism, we push back on the the federal government does too many things to too men people. Some much shouldnt be done or the purview of states. We have to neuter the power of the federal government and just get them out of so much of this business and i think a lot of those answers will be pushing forward states rights and doing those but also takes making sure were engaged as a people, and people individually get and decide they will be part of the solution, not part of the problem and so with that i cant thank you enough for being here and hearing me out and i hope you enjoy the book. But if we have other few minute ford questions if you have to disk get it, but if you have questions, id love to do it. [applause] yes. You mentioned the conspiracy between the town halls and creating disruption and we know doing the rallies, the trump rallies, that project had that it tape showing democrat operatives saying they paid people to go to insight violence. Those are seasons. What they did to you and what they did to him. I went to the party and asked them whether theyre going to prosecute. A great way to get discovery on the democrats. But nothing ever happened. I think we really have to pursue things like these people that are insighting violence and theres several last count was close to a thousand attacks on Trump Supporters and republicans. We have to do something to lay down the hammer. I dont know one person was arrested and they basically took her out and then gist released her, didnt charge her with anything. They did detain her. Going a little crazy. I cant imagine what its like at trump rallies. Theres good and bad at this thing. First of all, the organic Energy Behind donald trump, you can go anywhere the country and get 100,000 people. I look at the democrats, joe biden rally, woo, couldnt pay enough people to show up to fill a high school with those folks. I agree with your premise in general. Overall because i think you see this everywhere from what u. S. Attorney durham is dealing with the fbi. I think theres a huge swatch of americans who do not believe theres an equal application of justice under its just onesided, and its unfortunate and i think like my grandfather was a career fbi agent, and i think if you looked at the fbi today, youd cringe. But im trying to see is i think it happens across the board. You can take these illegal immigration cases, you can take simple town hall people trying to get yelling, screaming, disrupting, threatening, carrying weapons on school grounds. Dont think they arrested anybody. I i got pick ours, body cam pictures from police officers. Trusted their judgment and my town hall to make the right decision and keep the calm and i think they made all the right calls and learned from others where the escalation happened. But then i look at portland and i see antifa and others just running roughshod and nobody is arrested, let alone prosecuted and i think thats wrong, and i think conservatives are right to point that out. I think we have been on the receiving end, and its gone on too long and there doesnt seem to be in the consequence to truly threatening our aggressive behavior where theres an actual assault. Thank you. Churched on something that is much bigger and broader than my town hall. Yes. Whats i think theyre broadcasting this so you have to will trump win 2020 . Will trump win . I think so. I think he will lose some states, like california, with the vote harvesting, going to come down to the house and Everything Else . I want to be optimistic. The house races are hard to predict because theres a local issue andty end of the day its one person versus another person and its hard to tell who the personalities are. On both sides. I think in part its a referendum on donald trump but its going pretty well. You can complain but the tweets, and if youre complain knight tweets, then youre looking for an excuse not to vote for him. I think if donald trump gets a trade deal done with china, i dont i think that its going to play so well. Right into the democratic base, blue collar, workers, but also into the farming community. Its true that chinese have been playing dirt compliment grandfather wend to china [inaudible] you have to be is your girlfriend, what is she doing hangingabout your background. Out with carter. Go ahead. No. Im just kidding. A georgetown exchange student. [inaudible] we gave them everything and now theyre saying i think donald trump earns credit on both sides of the aisle. No matter how much you get people talking heads on television, i think people are like, yeah, finally have a president who is standing up to make it right. So let me get this gentleman right here. George southerlies and these guys george sorrells, found thing activist groups, isnt there something that can be done. What i think needs to happen is these not for profits openly engaging in these types of campaign tactics, they need to be audited be the irs, the irs spend a lot of time making sure 300 plus conservative organizations never got the authorization to exercise their First Amendment rights. The size and gravity of the irs, why are they not looking at these Major Players and how theyre doing this . Its simple. You can look its in two minutes. Line after line, year after year, i they lose money. Why . What is the answer to that question . Maybe a Congressional Committee should ask that question. But i think more importantly the irs should do that. I think thats by the way we point out how planned parenthood they park millions overseas, and what they do in africa, to insist on allowing abortions, we point out i want to make sure i get this statistic right, particularly on camera here so i want to refer back to the book but i believe they spend more onberg abortions in thin cuss tries than food and water aid. Its disgeising what they do there. Thank you for what youre doing and for the book. I think that i dont now if you adegree but downow think an uneducated electorate why we have this blatant power grab . Thats a big part of the whole premise of my book, that you have to again, seek first to understand and then be understood and make sure you win the argue. Before you win the votes. If you dont make this argument and inform people and say, do you think its right that a not for Profit Charity is engaging in politics . I think most people would say no, shouldnt be doing that. But you have to engage in that. What we said, we have one of the largest the millenials only of cage to vote, and the generation behind them, i taught school for ten years, and probably nowhere im going with this. Id loaf to see us make case for return of the School System to local entities. Not national, not in the nea, the u. S. Department of education i steined on the bill that said there shouldnt be a u. S. Department of education. Let the money follow the kids. We should do this at a local level. As i look back out our kid, all went through public School System, very gravitile. A good education system, pretty good in utah. But history, civics. Thats what i taught. Financial, education, how to to checkbook, was like almost nonexistent was pretty pathetic. You have situations where teachers like me who are conservative and never dish never, ever stood in front of my classroom and said im a republican and want you to vote republican. Told my civics class, before you leave this classroom, you will be registered to vote and i said thats all i care about that, you register to vote. The union rep came and talked to me and she said you will not be allowed to be covered by the Liability Insurance if you say things like that because youre not doing the talk i wind chills. The whole education system, we need a couple hours. But thank you. Yes, sir. Just a quick question. Many think were losing fox, and for those that watch its long time, its changing dramatically, and thats a big, big deal for us going forward. What can you say and what can you smile at . Im glad you asked that question. When i show up at fox and i had an off are from another network as well, and i went with fox, and fox i said, what do you want from me . They said just you be you. If you want to we just want your gut, want awe authenticity. Dont think you have to support the president. If you dont, thats great, but if you dont, thats great it, too i think fox is fining a niche in a place and what i appreciate but fox is that it is the only place that i know that truly opens thin debate to both sides, and i would tell you as a conservative, we should never, ever be worried about hearing from the other side as well. You know what . It makes argument stronger. If i cant win that debate, shame on. My love the fact that theyre giving time and opportunity for democrats and liberals to state their point. I look at it and say, are you kidding me . Bring me on. Let me debate that ridiculous as nine position you just took on and win the argue. I wouldnt worry about that at all. I hear people say even the president said its nat there to be a political arm of just one voice and one political side. I like the fact that they allow and give opportunities to both sides. Its something i think america is striving for and given the chance to have the argue; conservatives win. 99 out of 100 times. Time for one or two more. Sure. Yes. Going back to ndo issue, has the irs shown any interest in looking into these . Because this sounds like a huge, huge negative impact on the country. Has there been any interest or the book effort the poock is six, seven days old so i hope you and fox and others i wrote a oped for foxnews. Com and that it me me on the air. I im doing all i took draw attention to it and hopefully theres some members in the house and senate that will also do something along with it as well. But i think it for most people its brand new information. Well see. One more quick one. Youve note the nexus between the liberal camp and the nngos and the media obviously but the emerging power of the social media giants, the googles, twitter, what have you, that only maintain enormous amount of information about it but control the flow of information and influence the actual discussion. What were talking about, what the issues are. What is the appropriate response to this emerging power youre highlighting something that we all have to deal with. When i was chairman of the Oversight Committee i did something never been done before with created a subcommittee on information technology. Not only emerging technology, and how the government spends 250 billion im sorry 90 billion on 250,000 employees on technology. Thats how much were spending as taxpayers, but also to look at these dilemmas out there. I think it was more than 40 a Bipartisan Group of state attorneys general are now filing suit against the behemoths of organizations. As a conservative im a little bit torn because i do believe as a private entity they can do what they want to do, and if consumers dont want to go that direction they can go another direction. Our on son was on facebook and then a couple years ago dropped it. He said its just a fest pool of negativity, waste of my time and i think he didnt like that his parents got on and tried to friend him. That did not play as well. But i think that the court ruling is interesting that the president cant the rule was that it cant delete followers, and i tweeted back, saying, well, does the same hold true in that are they, as the twitters and google of the world can they hold back from allowing people to see the president s account and other peoples account . I can tell you, if i put up a too conservative post, barely goes to anybody and ive got hundreds and hundreds of thousands of followers and it maybe goes to 1500 people. Really . Are you kidding me . Why do you think 250,000 people on facebook signed up as a like and i put out dismiss only 1500 . And then ill test it. Put out Something Else and go to 40,000 or 50,000 people. Really . Something the algorithms. I think people need to have exposure in terms of content. I think its fascinating what europe is doing in terms of the right to be forgotten. I think there are child issues that have not been debt with previously, the law allowed a 13yearold to sign up. What other instance do we allow 13yearolds to engage in a contractual obligation and if they decide that 15yearold they no longer want their content in europe now they have to delete it. It has to be gone to point they can be sued for that. So a lot of issues. Maybe heritage will have me come back because im passionate about this stuffout you highlight something that is imperative and lets just be hospital, as conservatives the National Media and the social media, theyre going to be fighting against us. But at the end of the day theres reason why donald trump won 30 of the 50 states because i believe as i go around the country and talk to people, American People, we are still a conservative nation. We still believe in the basic ten nets of conservatism, and that will win the day, but we do have to educate and get out there and talk and i thank you for being involved and engaged and i hope you like power grab and i appreciate mile howle and hair tam for hefeng me. Its 1 02. Im two minutes late so thank you. Appreciate it. [applause]. Please take a minute to silence your phones before we begin. While you are doing so, we have a fair number of members with us tonight