taiwan. since the early 1980s there's been efforts to either lend support to taiwan or even sell arms in this way. so we have basically had a two-tract policy but have maintained that policy. >> i had ambassador christopher hill on who obviously was in charge of the diplomatic relations between the countries under george w. bush. why is that the policy believed to work? others have come out in the wake of all of this including michael pillsbury who worked under reagan and george w. bush and obama and said it's not a zero sum game anymore. >> the goal of china has been to normalize relations and hopefully to integrate both countries rather than create an adversarial situation. >> couldn't this be the first step? >> not this way. i don't think people are disputing having different relations with taiwan but doing