and that's what happened. >> so you went into that meeting to discuss this case. do you think sean spicer knew that's what the meeting was about? >> you know, i don't know. but if you listen to what ed butowski says, sean spicer knew about it. >> no, ed butowski said sean spicer didn't know about it. he just took the meeting as a friendly gesture because he knew them. >> let me say -- >> and there was presumably nothing else going on that day in the white house for mr. spicer. >> there's room for speculation. this is not the first time we have heard about a white house official taking a meeting they say they didn't know anything about but went to anyway, but this is not the court of public opinion. in a court of law you only know what you show. you have to demonstrate what sean spicer if you're going to include the white house in a concocted scheme, you have to show they knew about it and wanted to advance it and there's merit to the suggestion that the president of the united states