cable? >> but i knew that the lawyers had been consulted in a meeting and consulted over many times over three years. >> in may of 2005 mr. rizzo reports i told jose and his chief of staff, that was you, is that correct? i can't recall if i talked to them separately or together, they were crestfallen because they were now on notice that the dni, two successive white house counsels and the vice president's top lawyer had weighed in strongly against destroying the tapes. do you recall that conversation? >> senator, i don't recall that specific conversation however, i was aware that there were some objections and that is why jose -- >> regarding some objects, those are very straightforward prohibitions by your superiors to not destroy the tapes, was it not? >> senator, i don't recall that specific conversation. >> but you do know and mr. morel in the report which has been released says something similar. he said the record is clear that