don't accept what you want, it feeds the us versus them. it makes them a punitive enemy to the republican base that they're about something different than you are. why do that? >> they are about something different. >> but they're not about open borders and lawlessness. it's about how we invite people to this country. it's fundamentally different. >> chris, they're defending ms-13. >> they're not. nancy posi never defended ms-13. >> when president trump referred to them as animals, there was a hyperventilation going on among the left that you couldn't talk about people in terms and call them animals. that was defending ms-13 by about anybody's standard, and by the way -- >> no. it's what you made it about. but go ahead. >> i didn't get involved in that dialogue myself. i believe i recall president trump saying chuck schumer withdraw that offer, and -- >> no. he rejected the offer. they put the wall on the table. then it became about money. schumer says you guys not you,