>> i can't tell you. i'm not sure i know the conflict. i have a good idea what it is. it is one that would kept me out of the investigation. >> we will see what today brings in terms of whether rudy juli giuliani will try to clarify more of his statements. president trump is heading to tampa bay, florida. >> abby, thank you so much for explaining all of that. now it's clear. >> joining us now is john avlon and ann milgrim. so there's many things to dive into with what rudy giuliani told us on the air on "new day" yesterday. first, they've gone from saying no collusion. you saw donald trump or president trump having written in big, black letters on his speech. he added it to a speech that said no collusion in all caps. then yesterday his lawyer rudy giuliani said, well, collusion is not a crime.