right? >> but it has to be potentially damaging. >> i was a senior republican senator, i'm not attacking the koch brothers because they're still good donors of mine, so why stir up that? why talk about lebron james or our own don lemon? the president does, you know, get involved in a lot of things. >> it would be much better if he left it. >> he could have an opportunity to speak if he really wants to and his attorneys are advising against the president being interviewed by bob mueller but apparently they are still working on questions of parameters, et cetera. do you see, shan, that the president just simply cannot resist, even if his attorneys say don't do it, he can't resist but talk about it face-to-face with bob mueller. >> i think he definitely has a discipline problem in terms of message and i think that's why his lawyers are so worried about him sitting down with mueller. >> why is he so insistent that he would want to. >> i think that's a spin-type issue and they want to set the stage for if mueller, who does not want to litigate all the way to the supreme court, can he