the united states sen cuss bureau, california, texas, florida, new york, pennsylvania. the ten senators who rep vermont, wyoming, alaska, the dakotas have just over 3.5 million constituents. so when i p you see it laid out like that, look at all those people, do you think it's fair to say in america the majority rules? >> no, i think it's very clear that the majority doesn't rule. you know it, didn't even rule in the last election but obviously, the system was designed that way. i don't think that the founders anticipated the extent to which the structure that they had created would cause this kind of polarization. look, even -- i think the red state, blue state shorthand can be misleading. there's a lot of blue voters in red states and a lot of the red voters in blue states. upstate new york is not brooklyn. but i do think that there is a