on this in the short-term a short-term battle versus a long-term war. and going back to my example of the bill clinton/newt gingrich fight, we, republicans lost that fight in the short-term, but in the long-term, bill clinton signed a balanced budget. he signed republican bills on the funding levels that we wanted on things like medicare. i think the president is trying to establish going into 2020 that he's serious about border security and the democrats aren't. and the rest of these things that he comes out in tweets or details that we're goings to focus on now, he's trying to set up a longer-term difference between the two parties here. >> congressman dent, is that something you think he could win in setting that up, that kind of long-term fight? >> boy, i'll tell you what. the party that makes the policy demand in these funding fights usually ends up owning the shutdown. i don't see an easy way out right now. there should be an easy way out, but what can happen now is senator mcconnell is going to be under tremendous pressure from some of his own members. say members like susan collins,