because if he lied to you about where he got the stuff today, he's a dead man. what's interesting, on the credibility point you're making, i said, what do you do with the president? they're lying about the same things. >> that has yet to be -- >> yeah. he didn't have the same comfort going there because that's the political calculation. >> yeah. >> i'm backing the president. the problem is this president has lied to you a lot about the same things that now we're debating. >> yeah. these are significant lies. >> that's it? >> that's the significant ones about the hush money payments, about the obama wiretapping. i just keep them handy when people say, oh, it's not been proven that this president is a liar. of course it has. >> again and again and again. >> you know what's interesting? so michael cohen testified. you know, he's going to go to jail for lying to congress. >> yep. >> but he took an oath, and he did it. you know a good way of disproving michael cohen is for the president to do the same thing. take an oath, the pledge. talk to robert mueller.