on a debate stage and take the president on? as you know, and all republicans ran against him know, he presents a lot of unique challenges. >> well, anderson, first of all, let's let this campaign kind of develop. you know, i felt that joe biden, because he's more of the centrist -- because i think the country's fundamentally either center-right or center-left, i think could be on the stage and could handle himself well. but for anybody that ultimately will face him, you know, you don't want to take the bait. he's going to try to get you to go to his level. he's going to say things that are going to be outrageous toward you. he may name call. if you try to get into that and you try to get down at that level, you're making a very big mistake. i think you have to constantly correct the record because he'll try to distort your record. you have to constantly correct it. but then obviously have something positive to say about what you want to do. but if you go down in the rabbit hole, you're going to find that is a losing proposition. and when you think about the