the story. >> that's right. >> is it harder to play a role when the story is true? >> well, the word isn't harder, it's more you have to be more focused. you have to find truth in the reality of a character you are playing who is in those both instances they were on the set. carl was on the set for cozy men of honor" and survivors in their 90s were there -- >> sit up straight! >> yeah, a little bit of that stuff. but it made you stay focused. actors are trying to find the truth of the moment. >> did you ever look over with with those guys almost with emotion and said had it not been for those guys and what they did and what they put up with. >> exactly. >> and growing up in the deep south i saw firsthand when people put up with. i look back, and i marvel that there was the courage and the determination and the perseverance of people who went through a level of racism that i don't think most people can even