you got dolan saying i'm going to have to stop giving to the poor. he actually threatened he wouldn't be able to continue doing charity work to some extent when he gets 62% of the charity money from the government in the first place. bill: tucker. >> it is clearly more important to the ideologues pushing this rule that they somehow make an idealogical point about contraception or women's health the than serving the poor. look, you will actually in the end force catholic charities out of the business of helping poor people. and i guess that's okay. >> i don't know how you force catholic charities out of helping poor. >> because it violates their conscience whether agree with i or not. >> on volunteer basis for women. i don't know how that stops the church. 62% of the first place to help the poor. >> lord knows. not a nice we ask for. not a fight we're relishing. we want to put this behind us and get back to normal and be left alone. apparently that is not the case now. >> never is. bill: alan, thank you. tucker, thank you. we'll continue this debate on a later date. to viewers at home shoot an