who's got a kid who's troubled next door. if it saves a life, then i'm all for it. when you take it to the next step like redford, that i think is inappropriate. >> dana, isn't the sad reality as much as we complain about this sort of stuff, culture finds the culprit more interesting than the victim because there's always a story about the culprit? we have names, arthur daniel, silvia frasier, kathleen gaard, kenneth proctor, michael arnold, all these poor people that are dead, but just to the producers, they're not as interesting because they didn't commit the crime. >> well, so this only happened on monday. today is wednesday. and the first day, we didn't even have the names of the victims. the mead ya didn't have the names of the victims until late monday night, early tuesday morning. and the truth is the good guys, the victim, they never get enough attention, ever. that's reality. think of the stories we've done about christians being attacked in muslim countries like in