individuals who took place in the paris attacks and 2015 came in under the guise of being migrants. there is no doubt about it. isis is using the refugee flow in order to infiltrate europe. it will attempt to infiltrate the united states, as well. this is a forward-looking policy designed to preempt action by isis in the united states. to >> bill: i understand that theory. but gillian puts forth, she is certainly not alone, that by selecting the seven nations, all predominantly muslim, that the other muslims who may not be -- you know, militants -- but may be in the middle, will hate the united states or pull away from the united states, you know, the propaganda that is being put out. this is anti-muslim, anti-immigrants. the left is all over this. is there any validity to gillian's point? >> i don't buy the argument that this executive order will alienate 1 billion muslims. it is specifically targeted at