whatever they were, it really wasn't appropriate. so it wasn't good judgment. as you know, it could be a violation of a law called the logan act. it's 200 years old. it's never been enforced. so i think it's unlikely. being untruthful with the vice president and the american people is a pretty serious offense in and of itself, as sean spicer conceded. >> melissa: but you don't buy the idea that he said if he wassen reaching out and paving the way to begin having a relationship with these people in his new role, that he would be criticized for not preparing for his new job. that what he was doing, not only was he allowed to do it, he was sort of expected to be doing things like this. you don't buy it? >> if he was expected to be doing it, why did he hide it for a month? if it was all above board and routine and part of the transition, why was so much effort made to mislead people about it if it's okay then you don't cover it up. so that would be my best answer for that. >> melissa: along those lines, i