ups or his personality or background or whatever, but you try to pull back and ask what principles are at stake here and ask obvious questions like how does this help the americans already here? i cannot get -- are not just saying this. every night, i cannot get a real answer for that from anybody, ever. not one. >> it is this resistance in public policy. had something similar after i was on your show last week. there's all these people who are suddenly going online and pointing out that i'm canadian. it was the first i'd heard of it. i was stunned. who knew? the msnbc genealogist had been in touch with the vital statistics and -- i was stunned. the fact is, it's public policy. i go to rosen guard in sweden and what i see there i think is a tragedy for the swedes who will be an ethnic minority in their own country by midcentury. i go to mullen beak and my mother's country of belgium and

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