weaknesses, even if they exploited their flaws, it's time for us to come to terms with the fact that you cannot use people as money machines. use them, squeeze them, get all you can out of them and then when something goes wrong, then it's their fault, while some people go to the bank and they go to the seminary. we'll talk about that tonight. we have this story covered from all angles this evening in just a minute. we'll talk to brian oxman who represented the jacksons over the last 25 years as an attorney. he served as joe jackson's attorney in the wrongful death case. first, let's get the latest from the courthouse with msnbc news correspondent kristen dahlgren. kristen, thanks for coming on the show. >> reporter: hey, there, al. it's 2 1/2 years since michael jackson's death since you spoke at his funeral.