and that's our job. i'm not a politician. >> thank you. >> i don't work for the president. >> we believe government can do good things, the public working together. >> yeah. >> and liberalism by its nature means the market shouldn't rule. it can be perfected upon by public action. that's what liberalism is to me. you can make choices. you just don't listen to the markets. >> number one, i think that's good. that's an important role. number two, some of the criticisms are just flat right. like i say in the piece. the problem comes when liberals go from that, i'm disappointed with this, i'm disappointed with that, i want more here, to a general feeling of disappointed. oh, i'm let down, oh, this isn't what i expected because they're always let down. >> i know what you're talking about. joan, abstain for a second. i know what he's talking about which is basically in d.c. it's the -- we love to argue among ourselves. we love this. it's called ndc, november doesn't count. it's not about the general public. it's about us winning among ourselves. these arguments are why the democratic party tends to be the most exciting party because all these great arguments occur within the party. the fight over the vietnam war was within the party.