minutes ago. and the nra has consistently fought against doing anything about those sort of gun sales. now, i think this is -- >> why don't they sell guns in bars? there's a point where any reasonable person says, no, don't sell guns in bar rooms, tap rooms. >> a big issue that the congresswoman and the vice president and everyone has to take into account, if you look back in '94 when bill clinton got the ban on assault weapons through, he did that as part of a big crime bill with a lot of stuff the conservatives wanted like expanding the death penalty. if you do it bit by bit or if it's a bill just about gun safety or gun violence prevention, it may be harder to get through. >> let me ask the congresswoman. do you think we can get a government -- something through the congress that doesn't get encased in some big right center left package which includes some things liberals won't like? >> well, i think anything that does pass is going to have to have something appealing to the right and to the left. and certainly the interests of those who are hunters in terms