meant to them to know that somebody in washington cared that much about their own son and daughtering >> a couple of quick ones i've been saying all morning i wanted to ask you about the future of war. here is what you said back in 2011 at west point. in my opinion, any future defense secretary who advises the president to again send a big american land army into asia or into the middle east or africa should have his head examined as general mcarthur so delicately put it. does that mean to say that you think iraq and afghanistan will never truly be won, will never be seen as a victory? >> i think that one of the other things that i write in the book is that if you look back to the korean war, there are very few instances where we have been militarily engaged in a major conflict where we have come out with what we saw as a victory as clear-cut as in world war ii or in the first gulf war in 1991. whether it was korea or vietnam or iraq or afghanistan, there is