how things normally happen. it is inconceivable that a chairman of the senate foreign relations committee would be having this kind of discourse or criticism against a president of his own party. i mentioned in my piece that 50 plus years ago, j. william fulbright who was the democratic chairman of the committee launched a serious critique of his president's party lyndon johnson's catastrophic policies in vietnam. but that was done with great deliberation and there wasn't something wrong with johnson that he was unfit, that he was temperamentally erratic. it was the policy. so that is something we haven't seen before. >> mark meadows' comment, evan, was sort of amazing to me. meadows is basically saying -- i mean, if you disagree with bob corker, you would say something to the following. that's outages. what a slanderous thing to say about the president of the united states, who is obviously a judicious and competent chief executive of this nation. no instead he said well, you're just saying that because you don't have to run again. which seems like a giant self-own. >> that's exactly right.