the fact, though, is he would probably do so in an effort to obstruct justice with malign intent to exonerate himself. so i think that is where this would violate what we have observed for the 240-some years of our republic. the other question is we have focused so much on the president's assertion he could run this investigation that we have overlooked his statement he has stayed out of it to date. and that is false -- >> we just played that sound of him. we could play, the entire hour, of sound of him talking about and criticizing this investigation. >> we have the mueller probe in the first place because donald trump fired jim comey with russia in mind. he's continued to harangue the prosecutions. he's tampered with witnesses by encouraging paul manafort to stay strong. >> not only that, but susan, just the idea, again, even if he