backgrounds. >> what did you think of bharara not only defending the judgment attributed to rod rosenstein but going farther than mr. rosenstein, currently still in the trump administration and saying no, i bet rod was serious. >> that very well could be. although you don't know. rod rosenstein was in a totally different atmosphere, very much like i experienced after archibald cox, the watergate prosecutor was fired, where people just vented, sat around the table for a day. i remember this happening. and people came up with all kinds of crazy things. i could understand how that might happen in the rosenstein situation. but this one i could also understand. where you're sort of being played by the president, by trump, who is calling you up. i mean, what possible good motive does he have to be calling you on a regular basis? i mean, this is unheard of. >> unheard of. he mentioned he never heard from president obama, who literally appointed him to that powerful post to begin with. what do you say, though, to the